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Old 10-10-2012, 09:00 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I think the disease had a huge effect on him. B4 the shit happend he was taking shots from couture and heath hearing, he knocked down frank mir and wasnt scared to stand up with him, then the disease came and that's when he started to bob sapp his way through striking, i really think it ****ed him up
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:23 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I think the disease had a huge effect on him. B4 the shit happend he was taking shots from couture and heath hearing, he knocked down frank mir and wasnt scared to stand up with him, then the disease came and that's when he started to bob sapp his way through striking, i really think it ****ed him up
He never got a chance to strike though. Unlike Couture and Herring, Carwin and Velasquez come right for you. In both cases they all but ran at him, threw punches, he fell, they continued the assault. Herring landed a few weak enough hits at distance before Lesnar landed the bomb. Couture was never on Carwin or Velasquez' striking level. If Lesnar came back, he'd be right back up there. Guys with weak to decent striking would be taken down and get pounded like they did before. Lesnar to me beats the likes of Nog, Bigfoot, Struve etc. The only guys that would stop him are JDS, Velasquez, Overeem, and Carwin.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:41 PM   #53 (permalink)
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He never got a chance to strike though. Unlike Couture and Herring, Carwin and Velasquez come right for you. In both cases they all but ran at him, threw punches, he fell, they continued the assault. Herring landed a few weak enough hits at distance before Lesnar landed the bomb. Couture was never on Carwin or Velasquez' striking level. If Lesnar came back, he'd be right back up there. Guys with weak to decent striking would be taken down and get pounded like they did before. Lesnar to me beats the likes of Nog, Bigfoot, Struve etc. The only guys that would stop him are JDS, Velasquez, Overeem, and Carwin.
re-watch the heering fight, there was a point where heath had him somewhat up on the cage and landed a nice upercut which didn't phase brock seriously when you have that kind of surgery, it takes the fight out of ya
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I believe it was GSP (paraphrasing here) that said when you lose your Achilles fist (I think that's what he called it) you are mentally broken. The Brock that came in and destroyed people, took a beating from Carwin then jumped up on the cage and hit himself in the face to prove he can take a punch, that guy was gone ever since the Carwin fight.

That disease took his strength both mentally and physically, when you don't have that feeling of physical superiority anymore the entire game is changed. Brock had the potential to be a wrecking machine because few people could stop his takedown when he was determined, but once he got sick he lost his determination. I can understand that, however it's all because he ate a meat only diet, why nobody helped him out and corrected that boggles my mind. A world of potential down the drain because he wouldn't eat right.
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People realize that Paul Heyman isn't actually an agent right?

This is typically pro wrestling tomfoolery.
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of course people know that, but Heyman and Lesnar at the very least have contact with each other and Heyman hasn't been known to be the Don King type of pathological liar. He just seems like a normal mma fan with connections to a former champ
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This is interesting. Nobody likes to get hit, but he surprised the heck outta me by withstanding the barrage by Carwin and ended up taking a SOTN win. Actually wasn't pissed off for losing cuz he earned it. Problem is, he doesn't strike which also means he's never been hit before.

Also if you really think about it, he's your typical bully. Thus it's unlikely he ever gotten a serious beatdown so that feeling of getting your brain rattled is foreign to em.

I still consider him a natural wonder ever since I first seen the trapz on em in WWE bodyslamming The Big Show. Tremendous amount of strength...has to be the strongest on par with Overeem. I mean if he had expert level boxing/muay Thai with a black belt in BJJ it would be pretty much game over man. That's the beauty of the sport. So many variations of fighter styles and attributes.

Unlike Kurt Angle we don't have to wonder about Brock's potential. In my mind he was never a true MMA fighter, but he was able to compete at the highest levels and win the championship with good match ups and timing.

He's paved the way for a ton of other showman to fight for real which I find to be quite intriguing. You know deep down every WWE wrestler wants to be in the UFC. Take it for what it is though...
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So when are we expecting Heyman to, er, break the ,er, news?
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That's not what I said. Don't try and lie. I train when I can now for fun and I said 14 years not 10. But I said I had amateur fights in that thread too because you also called me a liar for not having an entire media library of my training and matches on hand to satisfy your curiosity.

So, grapple, please shut the **** up and stay out of this unless you actually have something to ******* contribute besides lies.
Just out of curiosity, how do you train now with your leg in a brace or with a cain?

I would imagine the pivoting involved in throwing a real boxing punch would render that almost impossible with a torn thigh, let alone actually practicing kickboxing.

No offense, just curious.
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^This. With shin splints I'm already barley able to pivot.

And as for Brock with his disease. You said "he changed after the Carwin fight" (@ rabakill). The Carwin fight could have been easily stopped, making it no different from the Cain fight. Lesnar didnt do anything different in either fights. He lay fetal and took a beating. One ref opted to end it, one gave him the chance to go on. Luckily for Lesnar, Carwin half died in the first and he got the submission, but there was virtually no difference between the first rounds.

I've got loads of respect for Lesnar and think he did something different and was highly successful with it, but when he faught proper strikers he crumbled every time.
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