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Old 10-14-2012, 09:40 PM   #51 (permalink)
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and? you carry respect wherever you go if you're true with your words, the cage door shutting suddenly doesn't void all of that. my gripe wasn't even about disrespecting his opponents, it's about being a dumbass. that'd be like a motocross rider whos never busted his ass before so he decides to never wear a helmet... theres a blantant disregard for what may not be probable, but its damn sure possible.
He gets away with it everytime, if he ever doesn't ill be here. Doubt it though, Anderson can do what he wants when he is winning, its up to the other guy to stop him.
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:51 PM   #52 (permalink)
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If I may chime in I can sense your frustration because ironically I was not a fan of Prince Naseem, Sugar Shane Mosley, and Roy Jones Junior. They all had one thing in common.

Now for Silva he doesn't let his hands down til he figures out his opponents timing and power. It could be deemed as showboating, but really I think most are missing the point here. It's a pure tactical play. How many times has he proven that. He did it against Griffin, Okami, Belfort, Sonnen and now Bonnar.

It's the ultimate psyche out. You can't take it at face value then you'll deem it as showboating. Have you ever thought that it could backfire. It hasn't because he's always in control and it's part of his master plan.

The Spartans would hold formation while local village tribes would shout, yell and eventually charge in. The Spartans would hold calmly, defend, block, then counter attack and decimate entire legions. Why...because the tribes were scattered with no centralized focal point of attack while the Spartans had their shields protecting each other. Then they would rotate. Alexander followed by the Romans would perfect this phalanx formation many centuries later. In a battle against the Persians the Spartans feigned retreat then turned around and wiped them out as they ran after them breaking formation.

Just because they appear to be weak or defenseless does not mean they are. It is about controlling your opponent with the intent of finishing with an END GAME.

I hope you've gained more insight and appreciate Anderson Silva as you said that you were a fan before.

He's giving us a show and exhibiting martial arts at the highest level.
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:42 PM   #53 (permalink)
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People saying he was in danger way underestimate his abilities. You could tell Anderson literally wanted to feel a little of Bonnar's power, mix it up and put on a show. The best part was when he went back into the corner, that may be the most badass thing I've ever seen.

Strategy wise Bonnar should have jumped on Anderson or backed the hell up, but he didn't and that's why Anderson is a freaking genius. He was in control of every single thing that happened in the fight, he let Bonnar push him against the cage, he let Bonnar hit him in the face. Anderson Silva outclassed Bonnar in such a devastating manner that Anderson would have had to close his eyes, fold his arms and kneel down to lose that fight. Bonnar could not have knocked him out because Anderson knows how to roll with punches so perfectly, there's a point where you just have to say yeah he is the best. It was amazing to watch from a strategical perspective, to see a smaller man have literally no chance to lose a fight against a bigger younger man. Anderson could have taken Bonnar's hardest punch and been fine because his reactions are so good he minimizes all damage by rolling with it, that was more art than combat yesterday.

credit to Bonnar for taking the fight, it takes two to make a masterpiece in the cage.

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Old 10-15-2012, 05:28 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Yep, because he's so good. He's the greatest. He looks likes he's 27 out there. In the end GSP is still smaller and coming off a huge layoff. That fight makes NO SENSE. Jones makes much more sense. The Anderson nuthuggers just don't want to see him lose. That's all. Joker.
I want nothing more than to see Anderson KO Bones.. Bones doesn't want that fight either, I really hope it happens though.

It's sad that you guys have to hate, he's a marvelous fighter, it's a lot of fun being a massive fan of his.
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I want nothing more than to see Anderson KO Bones.. Bones doesn't want that fight either, I really hope it happens though.

It's sad that you guys have to hate, he's a marvelous fighter, it's a lot of fun being a massive fan of his.
QFT - Eventually you have to just step back and rethink why you dislike someone.

For Silva, it seems like he and Jones don't want to fight each other, and that suddenly Silva wants GSP, a seemingly less threatening opponent.

I went back and found some of his interviews after the Griffin fight: He has been saying that he does not want to go after the LHW title since before Jones was even ranked.

He has also said since 2009 (post UFC 87) that he would fight GSP if the fight was offered.

I personally really want to see Silva vs. Jones (detailed in other threads) but wouldn't be surprised if it never gets inked.

Silva is saying he won't do it; regardless of the payday. (153 Post Fight Press Conference) I guess we will see how much sway Dana holds in the coming weeks.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:28 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Not at all. If guys like Stephen Bonnar are dumb enough to get drawn into the strike for strike match it's their fault, Silva stands there with his hands down and Bonnar doesn't close the gap, not Silva's fault. Silva just draws guys into standing in his range by giving them opportunities to hit him, Bonnar should have been hugging him for 3 rounds to get the lay'n'pray but he did exactly what Okami did.

You can not fault Silva for using a strategy that tricks fighters into playing right into his hands. Sure it was cocky as hell, but don't stand 2 feet in front of him and you won't get kneed to death. Yeah you have to take the fight to him to win, but do it like Sonnen did in the first fight by allowing no distance ever. Bonnar stood right in front of him trying to tag him and that's exactly how Anderson beats guys. If you go into the cage and get tricked into trying to strike with Silva that's a reflection of how good Silva is. He goes over and makes sure the guy is ok afterwards, he's not doing it out of disrespect, he does it because people are dumb enough to think they can rock him standing.

Another reason you can't fault him is because if he didn't do what he did we wouldn't know how good he actually is, if he would have gone in and circled and been afraid of the takedown the fight would have been mediocre. Silva proved to the world that yes, he is the best, he will give himself a huge disadvantage and turn it into a trap. I'd rather watch a cerebral chess match where he completely outsmarts his opponents than a careful boxing match where he does what we already know he could do.

Did he embarrass Bonnar and was it unacceptable? I say Bonnar embarrassed himself by getting tricked just like Okami did. I don't get how people don't appreciate Anderson's performances, he's the best in the world at the sport we love to watch. Nobody does what he does, I don't even see how Bonnar's ego would be hurt so why bother being mad.
I can agree with most of what you've written, but I wouldn't say that Okami got tricked. Okami tried to wrestle Silva down against the cage at the beginning of their fight, but was convinced by a couple of Silva's knees to the ribcage that it's no fun to be in that distance with Silva. So he rather was forced to try the stand up game.
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If I may chime in I can sense your frustration because ironically I was not a fan of Prince Naseem, Sugar Shane Mosley, and Roy Jones Junior. They all had one thing in common.

Now for Silva he doesn't let his hands down til he figures out his opponents timing and power. It could be deemed as showboating, but really I think most are missing the point here. It's a pure tactical play. How many times has he proven that. He did it against Griffin, Okami, Belfort, Sonnen and now Bonnar.

It's the ultimate psyche out. You can't take it at face value then you'll deem it as showboating. Have you ever thought that it could backfire. It hasn't because he's always in control and it's part of his master plan.

The Spartans would hold formation while local village tribes would shout, yell and eventually charge in. The Spartans would hold calmly, defend, block, then counter attack and decimate entire legions. Why...because the tribes were scattered with no centralized focal point of attack while the Spartans had their shields protecting each other. Then they would rotate. Alexander followed by the Romans would perfect this phalanx formation many centuries later. In a battle against the Persians the Spartans feigned retreat then turned around and wiped them out as they ran after them breaking formation.

Just because they appear to be weak or defenseless does not mean they are. It is about controlling your opponent with the intent of finishing with an END GAME.

I hope you've gained more insight and appreciate Anderson Silva as you said that you were a fan before.

He's giving us a show and exhibiting martial arts at the highest level.

ok ill give u that, it may be tactical but i guess i wanna see someone actually take a fight to him where he doesnt feel confident enough to do that. i want to see someone bring the fight to anderson like we see in other bouts. yea, chael did their first fight and we saw what happened, but i wanna see a striker do the same. really show case his skills.
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chael did their first fight and we saw what happened, but i wanna see a striker do the same. really show case his skills.
What striker can do it? Vitor is a great boxer but he couldn't get close to Silva.

Melvin Manhoef or Nick Diaz maybe?
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I can agree with most of what you've written, but I wouldn't say that Okami got tricked. Okami tried to wrestle Silva down against the cage at the beginning of their fight, but was convinced by a couple of Silva's knees to the ribcage that it's no fun to be in that distance with Silva. So he rather was forced to try the stand up game.
I see what you mean, but he most definitely got tricked. Anderson lulled him into going jab for jab, Okami could have tried to get Anderson to kick, could have tried weighing him down but went with the worst strategy of standing right in front of Anderson. Sure the knees probably sucked, but a smart fighter would have known to keep trying instead of trying to stand flatfooted and boxing with him.
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I see what you mean, but he most definitely got tricked. Anderson lulled him into going jab for jab, Okami could have tried to get Anderson to kick, could have tried weighing him down but went with the worst strategy of standing right in front of Anderson. Sure the knees probably sucked, but a smart fighter would have known to keep trying instead of trying to stand flatfooted and boxing with him.
But technical boxing is what Okami is best at in his striking, so that's what he went for. I guess he just couldn't do otherwise. He was sort of in survival mode without being rocked. You might underestimate the power of Silva's knees. Silva doesn't look so powerfull, because he is so lanky, not really ripped and his movements look to have this rather soft fluidity instead of brute crispness, but his perfect technique makes it more damaging than from most of the other fighters.
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