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post #11 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-15-2012, 08:13 PM
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Davis will never fight for the title... He will never get by the likes of Machida, Evans, Chael or even Hendo...
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post #12 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-15-2012, 09:35 PM
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Davis is incredibly close to the top. I wouldn't say top 3, but arguable top 5, definite top 10. I always hear so many people saying Gustafsson is the future of the LHW division. Then, when I mention Davis, they are quick to point out that he's just a Wrestler in a division where Wrestling can't take you to the top. Then they get all butthurt when I mention Davis has already beat Gustafsson. Not only did he beat him, he choked him out in the very first round. Anyways, since a million people seem to think Gustafsson is at the top, then Davis has to be in front of him.
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Davis is incredibly close to the top. I wouldn't say top 3, but arguable top 5, definite top 10. I always hear so many people saying Gustafsson is the future of the LHW division. Then, when I mention Davis, they are quick to point out that he's just a Wrestler in a division where Wrestling can't take you to the top. Then they get all butthurt when I mention Davis has already beat Gustafsson. Not only did he beat him, he choked him out in the very first round. Anyways, since a million people seem to think Gustafsson is at the top, then Davis has to be in front of him.
No logic. Gus is on a 5 fight win streak, finishing 4 of 5, and Phil is on a 1 fight streak. Just because Phil beat Gus doesnt mean he's always going to be better than him. In that case Joaquim Ferreira is the #1 HW in the world.

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No logic. Gus is on a 5 fight win streak, finishing 4 of 5, and Phil is on a 1 fight streak. Just because Phil beat Gus doesnt mean he's always going to be better than him. In that case Joaquim Ferreira is the #1 HW in the world.
Fair enough, but if Gus would of ran into rashad he would of also lost. I think Davis would take Gus again, and I think he should also be ranked higher.

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Davis is easily my favorite fighter in the division and I still think his raw talent and athleticism is incredible. The way he's tooled guys like Gustaf and Boetsch is quite impressive and his last fight was a ragdolling.

He didn't match up well with the #2 LHW in the world .. so what? Styles make fights and he's still a major threat style wise to Jones. He's 6-1 in the UFC, NCAA Div-I wrestling champ, World Jiu Jitsu Blue belt champ, and ONLY 28.

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Am I the only one who thought Davi's stand up looked improved? He looked more composed standing and his strikes were looser. His head kicks were thrown well. Needs more hard sparring to start getting that timing down but it looked better.

What he really needs to start working on is transferring from striking to takedowns. That's his real weakness.
Yes he did, and that gives me great hope. If he manages to get to like Rashad or even Bader level in striking, I think he'd be able to threaten enough to set up his grappling more, like a LHW GSP. I see similarities between his explosive takedowns and control with GSP.

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Davis will never fight for the title... He will never get by the likes of Machida, Evans, Chael or even Hendo...
Machida and Evans are tough at his current level, but he continues to improve.

Chael and Hendo he would absolutely wipe the floor with. Davis is an even better wrestler than Chael, far more explosive, faster, athletic, younger and MUCH bigger. Chael wouldn't stand a chance grappling with this guy, name one wrestler of this level Chael has beaten? And doesn't Chael get submitted by practically every second guy with half a BJJ belt?

Hendo has zero cardio and bad TDD for a wrestler. All Davis has to do is stall and sap Hendo for a round or two, which he has shown to be good at, and Hendo would be putty in the later rounds.
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For a guy who's supposed to have such talent and promise in BJJ, he sure did look terrible off his back against Rashad Evans. He looked like a fish out of water when 'Shad had him in that crucifix position. He had no idea what to do and was panicking. Rashad isn't even known for having good top control and good transitions.

That said, I still think he's a bad match up for Gus and really don't rate Gus very highly at all. He has good boxing and knows how to use his length, but he isn't spectacular even in that department. His grappling is flat out average.

I think Davis easily takes him down again and probably subs him again.
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For a guy who's supposed to have such talent and promise in BJJ, he sure did look terrible off his back against Rashad Evans. He looked like a fish out of water when 'Shad had him in that crucifix position. He had no idea what to do and was panicking. Rashad isn't even known for having good top control and good transitions.

That said, I still think he's a bad match up for Gus and really don't rate Gus very highly at all. He has good boxing and knows how to use his length, but he isn't spectacular even in that department. His grappling is flat out average.

I think Davis easily takes him down again and probably subs him again.
Yeah he's got really good BJJ but he's a top game guy, he has an excellent base and would be pretty much unsweepable for any blue belt on the planet, I think this is why he doesn't focus as much on improving his guard as he does his control and chokes.

His anaconda is a thing of beauty, I think it's the 3rd fight he's won with an Anaconda now. His grappling is comparable to Weidman's, yeah they are beasts and will sub guys but that is only because of their incredible wrestling.

BTW Weidman and Phil and Bader all wrestled in the same division in college and Weidman wiped the floor with both of them.







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Fair enough, but if Gus would of ran into rashad he would of also lost. I think Davis would take Gus again, and I think he should also be ranked higher.
Davis only really has one win over a pretty weak opponent in a row, and Gus has some decent enough wins in a row, so he should def be ranked higher. I'm not a Gus fan at all though so I could see it going the same way again.

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He is a prospect in my eyes. A guy who has one main strength in his wrestling, but has poor striking and his pure BJJ game doesnt seem overly good, despite 1 or 2 submissions he seems to have in his arsenal.

I'd like to seem him fight someone like Ryan Bader next and if he wins that then maybe give him someone like Shogun or Machida.
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If you aren't well rounded you aren't anywhere close to the top. His striking competence and confidence have a long ways to go.
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