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Old 10-16-2012, 07:54 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Condit will be working and going for the kill every minute of the fight.
Kind of like how he did in the Nick Diaz fight?
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:55 PM   #32 (permalink)
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He isn't better than Condit in the submission department, he isn't as mentally strong as Condit, and he doesn't posses even half of the killer instinct Condit does.

Stylistically it's a very interesting fight. Condit is dangerous in all aspects of mixed martial arts (unlike most of GSP's opponents who have mostly been one dimensional).

Gerogey boy has his work cut out for him every where this fight takes place, because Condit will be working and going for the kill every minute of the fight.
Condit has good BJJ that he uses to sweep and try to keep fights standing. His actual finishing ability isn't all that great. I very highly doubt that he could submit GSP especially since GSP's wrestling and control is far more dominant.

Standing Condit may have some more power but he is going to be afraid of the takedown which will limit his strikes significantly and then he will get picked apart by GSP's jabs as he tries to get into range.

Just go rewatch Condit vs MacDonald, Ellenberger and Kampmann then tell me you think he has a chance against GSP who is better then all those fighters in every regard...

I honestly won't be that surprised if GSP manhandles Condit, beats him up on the ground and after 2-3 rounds sinks in a submission. I just don't think Condit has the wrestling or BJJ to withstand GSP's ground game.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:12 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I wonder which Condit shows up against GSP. Will it be the guy who earned the nickname Natural Born Killer or the guy who fought Diaz. Not blaming Condit for his performance in the last fight. The W gave him more stardom, loads of money for his family, an interim championship and a guaranteed shot for the greatest WW of all time for the official belt. He had a lot to lose and so much to gain and he chose a safer path to achieve it.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:14 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Kind of like how he did in the Nick Diaz fight?
C'mon mate, I know you're a much better and more educated poster than to type some thing like that.

You and I both know you can't judge a fighters ability from just one fight. Condit has shown in almost all of his fights his tenacity, intensity and killer instinct and has earned his octagon nick name.

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Condit has good BJJ that he uses to sweep and try to keep fights standing. His actual finishing ability isn't all that great. I very highly doubt that he could submit GSP especially since GSP's wrestling and control is far more dominant.

Standing Condit may have some more power but he is going to be afraid of the takedown which will limit his strikes significantly and then he will get picked apart by GSP's jabs as he tries to get into range.

Just go rewatch Condit vs MacDonald, Ellenberger and Kampmann then tell me you think he has a chance against GSP who is better then all those fighters in every regard...

I honestly won't be that surprised if GSP manhandles Condit, beats him up on the ground and after 2-3 rounds sinks in a submission. I just don't think Condit has the wrestling or BJJ to withstand GSP's ground game.
He only uses his BJJ to sweep to keep fights standing. Not in the Carlos Condit fights I've watched throughout his career. He can either sweep you to get back to his feet, sweep to set up submissions, or sweep to reverse you and work from the top with ground and pound. Condit is very well versed on the ground and has a wide array of tools to use.

His actual finishing ability isn't very good? Huh? Condit has 28 wins with 26 of those wins coming by some form of stoppage. 50/50 split with knock outs and submissions. That is an incredibly impressive statistic. Condits finishing ability simply put, is out standing. One single fight with Nick Diaz doesn't change that fact.

I think you should rewatch the Ellenberger and Rory fights, in fact, I think most fans should go and rewatch them, seeing as though everyone likes to refer to them as some kind of indication of Condit's weakness.

I've no idea why the Ellenberger fight was a split decision Ellenberger smashed Condit in the first round. Rounds two and three how ever were completely dominated by Condit. He got the better of Jake on the feet, and completely schooled him on the ground in both rounds. Clear cut and impressive victory.

Rory Macdonald fight. Try watching it on mute so you don't get swayed by Rogan's notoriously biased commentary for the under dog. Rounds one and two were close, with Carlos getting the edge in the striking exchanges. Rory scored some take downs in which he did nothing with. It was actually Condit who was inflicting more damage from the bottom and was the aggressor. Round three was a mauling. A completely one sided beat down on a kid they are hailing as the future of the division. Condit out grappled Rory in that round and smashed his head in with ruthless ground and pound. Another impressive victory against a top tier welterweight.
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GSP by dominant, 5 round UD.
This is more than possible, hell it's probable. But..., for some reason I almost expect to see the GSP that trounced Serra in the rematch back. I think GSP will comeback will come back with a vengeance and look to absolutely crush whoever is across the cage from him. At least, I hope...
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He only uses his BJJ to sweep to keep fights standing. Not in the Carlos Condit fights I've watched throughout his career. He can either sweep you to get back to his feet, sweep to set up submissions, or sweep to reverse you and work from the top with ground and pound. Condit is very well versed on the ground and has a wide array of tools to use.

His actual finishing ability isn't very good? Huh? Condit has 28 wins with 26 of those wins coming by some form of stoppage. 50/50 split with knock outs and submissions. That is an incredibly impressive statistic. Condits finishing ability simply put, is out standing. One single fight with Nick Diaz doesn't change that fact.

I think you should rewatch the Ellenberger and Rory fights, in fact, I think most fans should go and rewatch them, seeing as though everyone likes to refer to them as some kind of indication of Condit's weakness.

I've no idea why the Ellenberger fight was a split decision Ellenberger smashed Condit in the first round. Rounds two and three how ever were completely dominated by Condit. He got the better of Jake on the feet, and completely schooled him on the ground in both rounds. Clear cut and impressive victory.

Rory Macdonald fight. Try watching it on mute so you don't get swayed by Rogan's notoriously biased commentary for the under dog. Rounds one and two were close, with Carlos getting the edge in the striking exchanges. Rory scored some take downs in which he did nothing with. It was actually Condit who was inflicting more damage from the bottom and was the aggressor. Round three was a mauling. A completely one sided beat down on a kid they are hailing as the future of the division. Condit out grappled Rory in that round and smashed his head in with ruthless ground and pound. Another impressive victory against a top tier welterweight.
Finishing ability comment was pointed at his submissions with which he hasn't been able to finish a good fighter with. Yes he has good BJJ but not good enough to finish GSP and he will likely have trouble even sweeping GSP since GSP's base is so good.

GSP has better wrestling and standup then Ellenberger, MacDonald and Kampmann. That was my point. Ellenberger and Rory were able to take Condit down and were close to squeeking out wins in their fights(Ellenberger nearly stopped it in the 1st and Rory was arguably going to win the decision). Condit has fought 5 of what I would consider good WW fighters. Only one of those fights didn't go the distance(MacDonald fight), he lost 2 of those fights(Kampmann and Shields), and as pointed out above he nearly lost all of them except for the Diaz fight.

The fact is Condit has a good record against mediocre to decent fighters but he is fighting a guy with a great record against the very best in the division. He is almost a perfect matchup for GSP imo because he is just a good all around guy but no better then GSP in any one category.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:42 PM   #38 (permalink)
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He isn't better than Condit in the submission department, he isn't as mentally strong as Condit, and he doesn't posses even half of the killer instinct Condit does.

Stylistically it's a very interesting fight. Condit is dangerous in all aspects of mixed martial arts (unlike most of GSP's opponents who have mostly been one dimensional).

Gerogey boy has his work cut out for him every where this fight takes place, because Condit will be working and going for the kill every minute of the fight.
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I don't see what's funny about that, but ok.

Trying your hardest for five rounds to submit Dan Hardy and failing indicates that you have a few holes in your BJJ game.

In comes Chris Lytle who submits Dan Hardy within 10 seconds of the fight hitting the floor.

Next you'll be laughing at me for claiming Lytle has better submissions than GSP.
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Finishing ability comment was pointed at his submissions with which he hasn't been able to finish a good fighter with. Yes he has good BJJ but not good enough to finish GSP and he will likely have trouble even sweeping GSP since GSP's base is so good.

GSP has better wrestling and standup then Ellenberger, MacDonald and Kampmann. That was my point. Ellenberger and Rory were able to take Condit down and were close to squeeking out wins in their fights(Ellenberger nearly stopped it in the 1st and Rory was arguably going to win the decision). Condit has fought 5 of what I would consider good WW fighters. Only one of those fights didn't go the distance(MacDonald fight), he lost 2 of those fights(Kampmann and Shields), and as pointed out above he nearly lost all of them except for the Diaz fight.

The fact is Condit has a good record against mediocre to decent fighters but he is fighting a guy with a great record against the very best in the division. He is almost a perfect matchup for GSP imo because he is just a good all around guy but no better then GSP in any one category.
I don't think GSP has better stand up than Ellenberger, Macdonald or Kampmann at this point, but that's completely up for debate. I'm also not sure if he's that much better of a wrestler than Rory Macdonald.

Rory didn't win though, he got crushed in that third round. Brining up that is like bringing up the Sonnen/Anderson fight. At the end of the day, both men (Andy, Condit) found a way at the last minute to stop their opponent. That's impressive.

I also think Condit got ****ed over big time in the fight with Kampmann. I thought it was another clear cut victory for him. He's been improving leaps and bounds since that fight any way.

He fought Shields when he was a 21 year old kid, that was a long time ago, and again, he's improved leaps and bounds and has been evolving in every fight thus far.
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