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Old 10-17-2012, 11:41 AM   #51 (permalink)
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and exactly how many good fighters were in the UFC's MW division in 2004? Can you name me even one guy that would have deserved a shot more than Anderson?

I can name a few that are on par with Weidman or above in terms of being worthy of a title shot:

Bisping, Belcher and Boetsch.

Why is Weidman so much more deserving than the others?

He's not. I doubt Anderson will want the fight after he beats Boetsch aswell, cos whilst Boetsch has some good (but undeserving) wins he's still a no name. They should have just booked Weidman V Bisping or Weidman V Belfort.

That would be the best situation because if he beat either of those two then he'd have a legitimate name on his record that the casual fans know.

Can't wait for SF to come in and disrupt the MW division though. Don't see Weidman getting past Jacare.
anderson got signed in 2006, not 2004. he got one win in the division and a title shot 4 months later... but that somehow makes him more deserving than weidman thats 9-0 for some reason? you are clouding ur mind with what anderson is today, not where he was 6 years ago before the whole world knew his name. my point is, its not his place to decide who is deserving or not, had rich franklin used that same bullshit logic 6 years ago anderson wouldntve got a chance at the title at that time. who the hell is anderson to say who is deserving or not, he came in, won one fight, and got a title shot.
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anderson got signed in 2006, not 2004. he got one win in the division and a title shot 4 months later... but that somehow makes him more deserving than weidman thats 9-0 for some reason? you are clouding ur mind with what anderson is today, not where he was 6 years ago before the whole world knew his name. my point is, its not his place to decide who is deserving or not, had rich franklin used that same bullshit logic 6 years ago anderson wouldntve got a chance at the title at that time. who the hell is anderson to say who is deserving or not, he came in, won one fight, and got a title shot.
Because he came and destroyed Chris Leben. He impressed everyone in what was back then a shallow devision, that's why.
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anderson got signed in 2006, not 2004. he got one win in the division and a title shot 4 months later... but that somehow makes him more deserving than weidman thats 9-0 for some reason? you are clouding ur mind with what anderson is today, not where he was 6 years ago before the whole world knew his name. my point is, its not his place to decide who is deserving or not, had rich franklin used that same bullshit logic 6 years ago anderson wouldntve got a chance at the title at that time. who the hell is anderson to say who is deserving or not, he came in, won one fight, and got a title shot.
Sorry, the 4 was a slip of the finger.

Yes he got one win and a title shot 4 months later, but my question to you was "Who else was deserving at that time?"

The answer is nobody. The UFC had no depth at that stage, after 1 dominating victory over Chris Leben, Anderson literally was the most deserving of a title shot.

Weidman has ducked Belcher. Boetsch and Bisping are arguably ahead of him in the the title picture. The same can't be said about the UFC's MW div. in 06.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:04 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Maybe because Weidman hasnt faught a single good opponent?

Bisping > Weidman.
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You know... I remember when Okami was going to "plow through" Silva.. Then Lombard was going to wreck him... Before that it was Sonnen... Some people still think Cote would win..


Weidman is just another in the long line of overhyped middleweights who's fanbase will abandon them when they lose.
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Are you serious? What did Lombard do in that fight to warrant the victory? That was one of the most disappointing performances I have ever seen.
I'll admitt that was not an impressive performance for Lombard for having all that HYPE. But there is no way he lost that fight. He outwreslted Timmy BIG time...Every round he took him down. In the second Rd...He clipped Timmy, dropped him and almost finshed the fight. At no time did Timmy do anything but throw leg kicks to keep the distance.

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Old 10-17-2012, 06:39 PM   #57 (permalink)
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You know... I remember when Okami was going to "plow through" Silva.. Then Lombard was going to wreck him... Before that it was Sonnen... Some people still think Cote would win..


Weidman is just another in the long line of overhyped middleweights who's fanbase will abandon them when they lose.
This. Weidman is a strong fighter, and if he wins a big difficult fight then he should def get a title shot, but he has done and shown NOTHING to have in the same cage as Silva. If he does enough to earn a title shot, then Silva either fights or gives up the title, but I don't feel a win over Tim gets him any closer and he has to fight an actual challenge to get there. It's a fight that will blend into the career of Silva, and the second he wins everyone jumps up and says that either Weidman wasnt 100% or that Weidman was always overhyped, and the win is no longer important for Silva's legacy.

I hope Silva gives up the title because I'd like to see him just fight whoever he wants whenever he wants, and thats a privalege (?) he has earned, but a champion is a champion and the duty of holding a title is fighting whoever and whenever (Jon who?).
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Old 10-18-2012, 06:24 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Sorry, the 4 was a slip of the finger.

Yes he got one win and a title shot 4 months later, but my question to you was "Who else was deserving at that time?"

The answer is nobody. The UFC had no depth at that stage, after 1 dominating victory over Chris Leben, Anderson literally was the most deserving of a title shot.

Weidman has ducked Belcher. Boetsch and Bisping are arguably ahead of him in the the title picture. The same can't be said about the UFC's MW div. in 06.
i see your point, im just saying that if the UFC wants to give him weidman, then so be it, its not for anderson to decide if he deserves it. andersons job is to defend his title, had fighters decide who deserves what fight, people would be picking/chosing and ducking fights worse than they do now.
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i see your point, im just saying that if the UFC wants to give him weidman, then so be it, its not for anderson to decide if he deserves it. andersons job is to defend his title, had fighters decide who deserves what fight, people would be picking/chosing and ducking fights worse than they do now.
From an outside perspective it's a just question, but from the insiders (I was NOT at the time) knew that Anderson Silva was highly touted. I only knew Anderson Silva as the guy who got submitted by The Piranha ironically. Pretty much only watched Wandy, Fedor, Big Nog and Mirko from Pride. Let me tell ya...The Spider shook up the entire MMA world like you would never believe.

Anderson Silva whom we now know was actually already the Shooto Champ, Cage Rage champ (three successful title defenses), Pride veteran, and had huge buzz around em. Here's the list of all UFC fighters he already beat which is more of a measuring stick. Chris Leben was the final piece of the puzzle to test em.
Tony Fryklund
Jorge Rivera
Lee Murray
Curtis Stout
Jeremy Horn
Carlos Newton (former WW Champion)
Roan Carneiro

May not be the strongest list of fighters, but they were all seasoned veterans and subsequently got tooled...BADLY.

Look at Nick Diaz, he had an immediate title shot. Jorge Santiago would have gotten one had he beat Brian Stann possibly and most definitely the same with Hector Lombard. Pride grand Prix champion, Shogun Rua definitely was slated to get the shot til he lost to Griffin, but it wasn't long before he got his shot.

Weidman although dangerous, is simply too green. If he's that confident then wipe out the division the way JDS did earning his shot and at the same doubling the PPVs when the time comes.

After what Anderson Silva has done and did this past weekend...he can do whatever tha fawk he pleases. Quote from Rounders if anybody knows...hehe.

1.) GSP
2.) Bisping
3.) Belcher
4.) Weidman
5.) LHW TITLE MATCH - Grand Finale and retirement fight.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:40 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Not IMO... Silva clearly stated he was done untill 2013. Can u show me a link other wise. Chris played it smart and waited for another CAN.
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