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Old 10-17-2012, 08:33 AM   #11 (permalink)
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George said he isn't comfortable going up in weight... not that he's uncomfortable because of Anderson. Also, there's no where George specifically mentioned Anderson (through Freddy).

The opinion that Anderson is too big is from Freddy... not George. Last I heard, George didn't want to talk about Anderson because he was focusing on Condit. I don't know how any of that equates to him not being mentally ready for anything.
I listened again and I apologise, you are correct. I do think that GSP may have said something similar to this to Freddie, but it's baseless so never mind.

Of course he's comfortable at the weight he's at, but many, many fighters go up or down in weight and perform well. GSP is amongst the elite of the elite and I highly doubt that he would struggle at 178lbs. If there was a 178lb div, 198lb div and a cruiserweight, and no WW, MW or LHW, then GSP would most probably be the champion of 178 if Anderson wasn't fighting in it.

It's not that he can't make the weight and be an awesome fighter, I just don't think he can beat Andy, and it feels like he thinks it too.

If GSP won't take the fight at 178 then it's sad because it's a very reasonable weight for Georges to fight at whereas an extra 7 pounds to cut for the "big MW/205er" would be quite difficult for him, especially considering he's nearly 40. If GSP won't fight him at 178 I really hope Andy can make 170lbs.

IMO Shields and Alves never deserved a title shot, but the same can be said about a few of Andy's opponents.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:50 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't really even see how this is a point that can even be argued, Roach is just stating the obvious here. GSP is a pretty big WW, but he isn't the biggest, there are guys bigger than him at WW, never mind MW.

Size would obviously matter, and matter a lot if GSP fights Silva, Silva could easily walk in 20 pounds heaver than GSP, and he would be an absolute minimum 10-15 pounds heavier. For high level professionals, every pound matters, and 15 of them would matter a lot.

Still want to see this fight, but Silva is significantly bigger than GSP.
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I don't really even see how this is a point that can even be argued, Roach is just stating the obvious here. GSP is a pretty big WW, but he isn't the biggest, there are guys bigger than him at WW, never mind MW.

Size would obviously matter, and matter a lot if GSP fights Silva, Silva could easily walk in 20 pounds heaver than GSP, and he would be an absolute minimum 10-15 pounds heavier. For high level professionals, every pound matters, and 15 of them would matter a lot.

Still want to see this fight, but Silva is significantly bigger than GSP.
If your that good it won't matter. Gsp is one of the bigger WW's. Did it matter when Cain beat a 40 pound heavier Brock? Or what about Edgar fighting guys with 20-30 pounds on him? If he's that's good he would beat silva.
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I thought I read silva was 1-1 in boxing, am i wrong?.

Anyway this size issue is a joke. Silva is not much bigger that St Pierre, sure he's taller but that's about it. Silva at light heavy on Saturday weighed in at 202, now that isnt a lean 202, it's an out of shape 202. St Pierre walks around at 190 and i imagine he's still in pretty good shape at that weight. at fight night I think they would fight around the same weight anyway, step up st Pierre and test your self will ya !!!!!.
I don't get the 202 thing. A fighter who is not used to only having to cut to 205 has no ritual to get down to that weight and overshot it. Come on people, Jon Jones weighed 204 for his last fight does that mean anyone believes he walks in the cage that light? I mean damn using your logic Jones and Silva are only 2 pounds apart.

GSP walks into the cage at 185, he has stated and his camp have stated that. Silva walks in well over 200lbs likely closer to 210-215.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:07 AM   #15 (permalink)
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GSP can't cut much more than to 170.

Anderson can make 5-7 lbs under his weight class.

Don't tell me all about their size difference. The reach would be about half as much as Bones enjoys in each of his title defenses.

Yes there would be a size difference. But GSP made a name for himself on beating smaller fighters. Matt Serra twice (one of his losses) Penn twice (2 of his "bigger" wins) Sherk who probably got pretty heavy, but had the height and reach of a BW.

So don't give us this shit. At least Anderson is going to meet GSP in the middle. GSP didn't go to 164 for Penn.

GSP used to take down Rashad in practice. Whats the problem here?
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If your that good it won't matter. Gsp is one of the bigger WW's. Did it matter when Cain beat a 40 pound heavier Brock? Or what about Edgar fighting guys with 20-30 pounds on him? If he's that's good he would beat silva.
I'm sorry, if you think size doesn't matter, there isn't much to say. It doesn't matter if a black belt is fighting a white belt, but it sure as hell matters if a black belt is fighting another black belt. The first line of your post is basically proving my point. Size doesn't matter when there is a huge skill discrepancy, but when there is no skill discrepancy, or a small one, it is a huge factor.

Or do you think Brock Lesnar still beats Randy Couture if they are the same size?

And the Velasquez fight proves my point to a tee. That was the fight where a lot of people really started to realize how much Lesnar relied on his size and how profoundly awful his striking was. Every fight Lesnar won, he won solely on size, the only reason Valasquez could beat him, was because he was a WAY better fighter than Lesnar. If Lesnar was anywhere near Cains skill level, he wins every time. And when Lesnar fought a guy close to his size with a decent skill set, that was Overeem, and Lesnar got obliterated.

People have mentioned the BJ-GSP fights, and those are another good example. I happen to think GSP has a better skill set anyway, but it didn't matter if there is a little difference one way or the other, it would only matter if there was a lot of difference. GSP is too big for BJ. BJ never wins that fight, and size is a huge part of that.

Weight classes matter, and matter a lot, that's why all combat sports have them.
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Man lets just cut the bs and call it what it is. GSP is scared to fight Silva, hell if I know the best fighter in the world who is on a different level wants to fight me I would be scared also. All i hear is he is too big, etc...Anderson Silva said he would drop down to 170 to fight GSP.
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I'm sorry, if you think size doesn't matter, there isn't much to say. It doesn't matter if a black belt is fighting a white belt, but it sure as hell matters if a black belt is fighting another black belt. The first line of your post is basically proving my point. Size doesn't matter when there is a huge skill discrepancy, but when there is no skill discrepancy, or a small one, it is a huge factor.

Or do you think Brock Lesnar still beats Randy Couture if they are the same size?

And the Velasquez fight proves my point to a tee. That was the fight where a lot of people really started to realize how much Lesnar relied on his size and how profoundly awful his striking was. Every fight Lesnar won, he won solely on size, the only reason Valasquez could beat him, was because he was a WAY better fighter than Lesnar. If Lesnar was anywhere near Cains skill level, he wins every time. And when Lesnar fought a guy close to his size with a decent skill set, that was Overeem, and Lesnar got obliterated.

People have mentioned the BJ-GSP fights, and those are another good example. I happen to think GSP has a better skill set anyway, but it didn't matter if there is a little difference one way or the other, it would only matter if there was a lot of difference. GSP is too big for BJ. BJ never wins that fight, and size is a huge part of that.

Weight classes matter, and matter a lot, that's why all combat sports have them.
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GSP fans are the first to say GSP is too small for Anderson to come down to a catchweight and do a superfight.

The same people are the first to say how Anderson should not meet at a catch, but fight Bones at 205 and size difference there doesn't matter. Even tho Anderson is years older than both of those kids.
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I thought I read silva was 1-1 in boxing, am i wrong?.

Anyway this size issue is a joke. Silva is not much bigger that St Pierre, sure he's taller but that's about it. Silva at light heavy on Saturday weighed in at 202, now that isnt a lean 202, it's an out of shape 202. St Pierre walks around at 190 and i imagine he's still in pretty good shape at that weight. at fight night I think they would fight around the same weight anyway, step up st Pierre and test your self will ya !!!!!.
You can say the same about Silva fighting JBJ.

At this point the only true test left for Silva is JBJ. The only true test left for JBJ is Silva.

GSP has been out for a year. He still has to fight Condit, and we have no idea how he will fare after being out of action for a year. Too boot, GSP has essentially a whole new top-5 in WW that he has yet to fight (except Fitch - however Fitch looked pretty good at 153).

There's nobody left for Silva at MW, and the only fight left for JBJ is Hendo. Silva just fought a nobody (yes a nobody), and JBJ is somehow fighting loudmouth Chael.

Both of those guys have cleaned house, and are fighting lackluster opponents at this point. It's kind of a disgrace.
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