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post #21 of 33 (permalink) Old 10-17-2012, 06:41 PM
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I thought I read silva was 1-1 in boxing, am i wrong?.

Anyway this size issue is a joke. Silva is not much bigger that St Pierre, sure he's taller but that's about it. Silva at light heavy on Saturday weighed in at 202, now that isnt a lean 202, it's an out of shape 202. St Pierre walks around at 190 and i imagine he's still in pretty good shape at that weight. at fight night I think they would fight around the same weight anyway, step up st Pierre and test your self will ya !!!!!.
There lies the crux. Anderson at 202 is "out of shape" even though he's fighting the next day, but some sort of hearsay about GSP walking around at 190 means that's the weight he's in when he makes it to the cage?

That's just picking and choosing information to fit the the reality you want.


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So do you think Georges telling Freddie that he thinks Anderson is too big for him = Georges is mentally ready and will fight Anderson?

For what reason would somebody say "Oh he's too big for me to fight", it probably doesn't help that his boxing coach tells him that he is right.

and it wasn't "Oh he's bigger than me" like Anderson V Bonnar (different, I know, but still), it was "He's too big for me", already counting himself out. That shows a lack of confidence in his ability against Anderson.

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You're practicing armchair psychology based on a source once removed. That's really pointless.
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I think the key thing is that Roach isnt taking wrestling for what it is. GSP might be small to stand up and exchange, but if anyone can take Anderson down and recreate what Sonnen did, it's GSP. GSP can take anybody at MW down, and I even think in a wrestling match he'd fair well against almost all of the LHW division. GSP's submission defence to me is much greater than Anderson's sub offence, and GSP has greater ground control and ground grappling than Anderson has BJJ.

I feel Anderson wins on the feet as GSP is working his way in for the takedown (something Sonnen doesnt do), but this will be by a mile the toughest challenge to Anderson to date. If GSP is able to rush his takedowns (which is usually a bad thing), then we'll see a fight against Anderson which will be like Sonnen on steroids...wait...what?

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GSP is a Beast.. But I don't think he will ever fight Silva. I don't Think he would fight Machida at 185. Unlike Silva, GSP fights to win, not to entertain anymore. I didn't bother looking it up, but I know it's been awhile since he's finished a fight....

Bottom line...GSP doesn't take RISKS
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Silva just fought a nobody (yes a nobody)
I could accept being called a nobody myself in this forum, since, just like you, I am using a fake name to type my ideas. However I just can't accept that a real fight fan would call any(and I mean any) athlete that steps into an octagon for our amusement a nobody. It's just to throw to the garbage all the history of hard work, training camps, high and lows and all the recognition and respect most real fans will have for him.
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I could accept being called a nobody myself in this forum, since, just like you, I am using a fake name to type my ideas. However I just can't accept that a real fight fan would call any(and I mean any) athlete that steps into an octagon for our amusement a nobody. It's just to throw to the garbage all the history of hard work, training camps, high and lows and all the recognition and respect most real fans will have for him.
Who has Bonnar beat? The guy trains hard, has lots of heart, and steps in a cage to fight, but so do 99% of the people in the UFC.

Who has Bonnar beat? Irvin? Jardine? Soszynski? He's lost every important fight in his career. Was he ever ranked as a top-10? I certainly wouldn't have ever put him as a top-10. Nowhere near Silva's level.

His most notable fight was his first UFC fight. Yes, he put the UFC and TUF on everyone's map... but I'm being realistic. Maybe "nobody" was harsh, but he's a nobody to Silva.

It doesn't change the fact that Silva just fought a sub-par, low ranked UFC fighter, and JBJ is fighting a completely undeserving opponent in Chael. It's a disgrace to the integrity of the sport, but it's what sells tickets.

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Oh look, ANOTHER guy complaining about Anderson fighting Sonnen despite the fact that it was a 100% bonus fight.

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Oh look, ANOTHER guy complaining about Anderson fighting Sonnen despite the fact that it was a 100% bonus fight.
It was a fight to save a card in Brazil. After Aldo was out they needed something to save the card, especially after the recent cancelled card...

If there wasn't a big name Brazilian in the main event, Brazil would have probably declared war against the USA.

It was a bonus "fight"... if you consider that a "fight". It looked more like a kung-fu master beating up on a child. The least competitive fight that the UFC could think of.

Edit. I think you mean Bonnar... not Sonnen.

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It was a fight to save a card in Brazil. After Aldo was out they needed something to save the card.

If there wasn't a big name Brazilian in the main event, Brazil would have probably declared war against the USA.

It was a bonus "fight"... if you consider that a "fight". It looked more like a kung-fu master beating up on a child. The least competitive fight that the UFC could think of.
But it was fun. No one expected it to be a real fight. People like me had high hopes, but it turned out how we all expected and it was enjoyable for the most part. It capped off an amazing card greatly. You're an MMA fan man, why not just sit back, enjoy an amazing card head to tails like that, and them spread the postive attitude that something like that should bring. If you didnt like it then fine, that's cool, but you don't have to walk around claiming the UFC makes stupid match ups when that card had some of the most well matched fighters in years put together, including a brief fight between Edgar and Aldo. Why focus on the negatives? That has to ruin how great a night it was for you.

EDIT: Thanks I've corrected that same fuking typo a million times now haha.

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But it was fun. No one expected it to be a real fight. People like me had high hopes, but it turned out how we all expected and it was enjoyable for the most part. It capped off an amazing card greatly. You're an MMA fan man, why not just sit back, enjoy an amazing card head to tails like that, and them spread the postive attitude that something like that should bring. If you didnt like it then fine, that's cool, but you don't have to walk around claiming the UFC makes stupid match ups when that card had some of the most well matched fighters in years put together, including a brief fight between Edgar and Aldo. Why focus on the negatives? That has to ruin how great a night it was for you.

EDIT: Thanks I've corrected that same fuking typo a million times now haha.
Again, I'm a realist.

The UFC had no guarantee that the card would be good. The card turned out to be one of the best in a long time, but there's no way to predict that going in. You could have what appear to be great matches on paper, and the card turns out horrible. You could have a horrible card on paper, and it end up being the best card ever. It's one of the hardest things to predict.

The UFC threw together one of the biggest mis-matches in history, simply to have a big name Brazilian on the card, as a shoe-in incase the card went bad.

I don't like watching mis-matched fights, that's all I can say. I'd prefer a somewhat less exciting, but close/competitive fight with some back-and-fourth action, even if it doesn't end in a KO/submission.

Edit: I also dislike that the UFC has become a traveling "spectacle", where it's an unwritten requirement to have a main card with a fighter from the home country. It's why we end up with mis-matches like this.

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Again, like I said before. he used to take Rashad down in practice all the time. GSP fans referenced this a lot and gloated about it.

So what is the problem here?

They also say GSP hasn't even really lost a round until he was poked in the eye by Shields. Same fans say he hasn't cleaned his division out yet...haha.

Who cares about Hendricks or Kampmann? They have no shot vs. GSP. GSP won't fight Rory. Diaz won't get a title shot right away. So what is the problem here? The timng is great!

It was fine when GSP beat up on Penn. But now when a guy is willing to meet GSP at a catch it isn't.

Hypocrites.
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