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He stayed out of it for 5 years after he lost to Ricco Rodriguez. Then one day he comes out of retirement after spending the last 5 years in LHW. This screams title contention how?

Listen, I'm not making a case for Chael Sonnen. Chael getting a title shot is completely ridiculous. What I am saying is that the UFC (and other organizations for that matter) has put business and entertainment ahead of competition.
The major difference here is Randy was a former Champion. He actually held the belt he was fighting for at one point in time. He already had a HOF resume at that point. 2 things Chael Sonnen does not have. Not to mention the HW division at that time was the weakest division in Zuffa history. Also I can't stress this enough, Randy earned his special treatment in the cage and had actually accomplished something in the UFC. Chael Sonnen got his treatment based on interviews and zingers on twitter. Major, major difference.
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I agree 100% with this article it is nonsense then Sonnen is getting a shot at Jones. I'm not interested in that match up at all I think it will be easy for Jones. Sonnen hasn't proved any abilities to be a contender at light heavyweight. IMO this is a slap in the face of all the contenders in the light heavyweight division and all the hardcore fans that watch MMA as a sport and to see the best martial artists in the world fight.
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I'm almost half tempted to say B.J. Penn as well. He did lose to GSP (unspectacular fashion as well) before he fought Hughes for the title and WW isn't really his natural weight class. But GSP did get injured and they needed a replacement so I guess I'll let it slide.

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He stayed out of it for 5 years after he lost to Ricco Rodriguez. Then one day he comes out of retirement after spending the last 5 years in LHW. This screams title contention how?

Listen, I'm not making a case for Chael Sonnen. Chael getting a title shot is completely ridiculous. What I am saying is that the UFC (and other organizations for that matter) has put business and entertainment ahead of competition.
I'm not making a case for anyone, I rarely watch MMA anymore. I just wanted to point a hole in your argument about Randy. The fact that he stayed out of HW division for long time doesn't change the fact that he was not only a part, but a major factor in UFC HW division. So he is not a valid example.

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This is such a fallacious argument. What's happening with Chael here is completely unprecedented; can anybody name a single instance in UFC history when a fighter coming off a loss was given a title shot at a HIGHER weight class that he has never fought at in the UFC? I CHALLENGE YOU TO REFUTE THIS!
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Randy Couture! Lost to Chuck Liddell and then retired. He came back from retirement to fight Tim Sylvia for the HW title.
Couture had fought at HW before in the UFC, so that does not refute my claim. Try again.
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Lesnar = Beat Heath Herring.
Couture = Former HW Champ
Edgar = Former LW Champ, lost controversial fight, many feel he won.
Silva and Bonner = Last minute fight
Belfort = Short notice fight, on a win streak.
Any other guy you thought of was undeserving was either either already proven, or on a win streak, or used as a last minute replacement to save a Event at least.

Sonnen = ???

Sonnens situation is no way similar to the rest of these guys, still cant believe people are finding excuses in thinking that Dana White made the right choice to get crapped on. Sonnen isint proven, he is not on a win streak and this isint a LAST MINUTE FIGHT! Sonnen now has 6 months to prepare! The same 6 months that Machida, Hendo etc wanted but was told to buzz off by Dana! This is driving me bananas when MMAFighting.com editors and some Zuffa zombies are not getting these facts. And them using his "dominated Silva for 4 Rounds", or no one else would step up as an excuse for him earning this fight with Jones is insane. They didnt want to fight Jones at the last minute, but they would now if thy had 6 months to prepare. Sonnen struck undeserved gold, and he probably knows it.

PS. Someone please give me some instances where this happened in other sports, since you say it happens often, I would like to see it. Their is a reason why they have a regular season in team sports, to see who is most deserving to go the playoffs and play for the Championship. Kickboxing has Tournaments, Bellator has tournaments, Boxing would get eaten alive if they let a loser with a .500 record fight for a Title. The only place where this happens often is... WWE. And the UFC=WWE comparisons have been getting pretty accurate, but I dont think even the WWE would let Triple H go to Wrestlemania if he lost on Raw and got his hype destroyed. I also dont think fellow Combat Sports would even allow something like this to happen.

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Lesnar = Beat Heath Herring.
Couture = Former HW Champ
Edgar = Former LW Champ, lost controversial fight, many feel he won.
Silva and Bonner = Last minute fight
Belfort = Short notice fight, on a win streak.
Any other guy you thought of was undeserving was either either already proven, or on a win streak, or used as a last minute replacement to save a Event at least.

Sonnen = ???

Sonnens situation is no way similar to the rest of these guys, still cant believe people are finding excuses in thinking that Dana White made the right choice to get crapped on. Sonnen isint proven, he is not on a win streak and this isint a LAST MINUTE FIGHT! Sonnen now has 6 months to prepare! The same 6 months that Machida, Hendo etc wanted but was told to buzz off by Dana! This is driving me bananas when MMAFighting.com editors and some Zuffa zombies are not getting these facts. And them using his "dominated Silva for 4 Rounds", or no one else would step up as an excuse for him earning this fight with Jones is insane. They didnt want to fight Jones at the last minute, but they would now if thy had 6 months to prepare. Sonnen struck undeserved gold, and he probably knows it.
Just to add to your already good points. Vitor was also a former UFC Champion and not just a last minute replacement but multiple fighters turned down the last minute replacement before it fell in Vitor's lap. That situation is in no way comparable to Sonnen.
Bonnar vs Silva was not for any title, Bonnar was on a 3 fight win streak and the favorite to win the fight was the guy moving up in weight. That's on top of being a late replacement to save a card. Again that is completely different situation.
Frankie was just rematching for a title he had around his waste coming into the fight before. No need to go any further, obviously not comparable to Chael situation.

Just thought I'd add that to your list. If it would let me + you again, I would.
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@OUSOONERSOU lol bro I almost forgot this one "Hendo had two title shots in a row before and lost them both" excuse. Hendo was the PRIDE MW and LHW Champion, he was in those because he had to unify the freaking Titles with his UFC counterparts! I guess your casual MMA fan doesent know that.
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Y'know the difference between Lesnar and Chael, Lesnar was one of five men(Nog, Mir, Sylvia, Couture) in the title mix with the regular and interim title shots the division wasn't shut down for 18 months which is what this Belfort/Sonnen thing has done.
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