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Old 10-19-2012, 01:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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So if I am understanding this correctly they are basically saying Dana is selling out by giving into the big money from FOX?

So Dana White should be replaced because he is not a business guy and the UFC is going to need someone who is more of a CEO to take them to the next level.

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Dana White should be replaced because he is focusing too much on the business and not giving the fans what they want.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Shogun and Machida turned down fighting Jones on more than a month's notice. Each was offered the Toronto fight that Vitor eventually received.
Machida and Shogun are two top five Light Heavyweight's with a loss to Jones already, one more and they're stuck in the Rich Franklin/Donald Cerrone/Jon Fitch/Urijah Faber land, well Shogun is. Machida could make 185 and own there, Shogun is just SOL.

Vitor Belfort, was a Middleweight who stepped up with nothing to lose and his spot at 185, still intact.

Chael, same situation as Vitor, nothing to lose, except a few dollars on doctor bills, and everything to gain.

There is still no reason, to punish Dan though. This should be Jon Jones vs. Dan Henderson, not Jones vs. Sonnen.
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I've always got the impression that Dana and Zuffa have always been in the business for money, not not seeing where this "loss of passion for the sport" argument comes into play. Beyond that all I read was an armchair rant of an analysis which seem to be in plentiful supply this month. Let their advisers, analysts, and consultants do their job and if your panties are in a bunch send them a letter or something that will be thrown into a pile. That being said, most people agree with you.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Dana calls the shots and he's teaching the LHW title holder a lesson along with everyone else in the division and organization.

Shogun declined, Lyoto declined, Hendo got injured without giving sufficient notice, the LHW title holder got placed in a compromising position and could have saved the show with deft negotiations, but opted not to.

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Meh. I can understand them turning down the fight. They lost to Jon before, why would they risk their potential future shot on taking him on in short notice with only 3 weeks of prepararation and a full weight cut. Lose to the champ twice and chances are your not getting a shot again. Meanwhile Jon was on full camp. Sonnen had nothing to lose. I don't think DW is trying to prove any kind of message. Jones-Sonnen is just a money fight.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I don't get why everybody keeps talking about Machida and Shogun. What about Glover Teixeira, Phil Davis, Alexander Gustaffson, etc? Sure you could argue they dont deserve title shots but there's no way in hell you can argue that they deserve one less than Sonnen.
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I don't get why everybody keeps talking about Machida and Shogun. What about Glover Teixeira, Phil Davis, Alexander Gustaffson, etc? Sure you could argue they dont deserve title shots but there's no way in hell you can argue that they deserve one less than Sonnen.
They're the only two people who we know got offered the fight.
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Most people understand why Chael is getting a shot Jones. The reason is that Chael is TV gold, love him or hate him. And DW had to do something to bump the ratings of TUF. So, insert Chael vs Bones and the ratings for TUF will be temporarily solved. They really need to move TUF to Weds/Thurs night instead of Friday. Or have it lead in or follow SOA on Tuesday.

As for DW selling his soul, these type of threads/rants are so tiresome.

Most of the major sports in the USA have spread out their product on TV too much at some point in order to make more money. And at first, the fans were not happy. But they do come around, they always do.

The UFC is not alone in this. Take the NFL for example:

-First we got Sunday NFL Ticket. NFL fans were excited.
-NFL fans learned that it is only available on DTV & the NFL is locked into a contract with them for close to a decade. This made many fans w/o DTV upset.
-NFL came out with it's own network. NFL fans were happy again.
-NFL fans find out it's a premium channel. NFL fans that have to pay extra to get NFL network are upset again.
-NFL switches MNF from ABC to ESPN. NFL fans without cable/sat are upset again.
-NFL starts a Sunday Night Prime time game. NFL fans are happy again.
-NFL starts adding 2-3 Thursday night games each year that are only available on the NFL network. Fans are unhappy again.
-NFL allows the cities of teams that participate in the Thursday night games to broadcast on local stations. NFL fans are happy again.
-NFL adds a Thursday night game to all 17 weeks of the schedule. Many fans are not happy.

This was all done over the last decade.

The point being is that all sports organizations are constantly looking for increased revenue through television. And some of the time they do so at the expense of fans. The UFC is no different.

Fans are fickle. They may be upset now, but most usually get over their temporary anger & return to enjoying the sport they love to watch.

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Machida and Shogun are two top five Light Heavyweight's with a loss to Jones already, one more and they're stuck in the Rich Franklin/Donald Cerrone/Jon Fitch/Urijah Faber land, well Shogun is. Machida could make 185 and own there, Shogun is just SOL.

Vitor Belfort, was a Middleweight who stepped up with nothing to lose and his spot at 185, still intact.

Chael, same situation as Vitor, nothing to lose, except a few dollars on doctor bills, and everything to gain.

There is still no reason, to punish Dan though. This should be Jon Jones vs. Dan Henderson, not Jones vs. Sonnen.
I was simply correcting the chap who said that Shogun and Machida were being punished for not taking the Jones fight on 8 days notice. The truth is, they turned down said fight on a month's (perhaps more) notice.

Shogun could make 185. He's always carried some excess cargo.
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I was simply correcting the chap who said that Shogun and Machida were being punished for not taking the Jones fight on 8 days notice. The truth is, they turned down said fight on a month's (perhaps more) notice.

Shogun could make 185. He's always carried some excess cargo.
He can make 185, that doesn't mean he can fight effectively at 185.
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I was simply correcting the chap who said that Shogun and Machida were being punished for not taking the Jones fight on 8 days notice. The truth is, they turned down said fight on a month's (perhaps more) notice.

Shogun could make 185. He's always carried some excess cargo.
I never said that... I said the fighters wanted a full training camp.. Is that really hard to understand? I don't thats asking much when your fighting Jon Jones.
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