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Old 10-19-2012, 03:59 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The thing with others fighters declining to fight Jon Jones is: They were all on SHORT NOTICE. I mean, who really wants to fight Jon Jones, after he's had a FULL Training camp on 8 days notice. Esp. Machida who already fought him on short notice once....
Gee, I wonder how I got the idea that you said these fighters were turning down a fight on 8 days notice. Machida and Shogun were offered the later Toronto fight, which was a little more than a month's notice. Facts are facts.

I get what you're saying about Machida and Shogun not wanting to fight Jones after he's had a full training camp and they haven't. It was your '8 days notice' comment that I was correcting. Nothing more, nothing less. Choose to get uppity if you want, but I didn't mean any harm by it.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Gee, I wonder how I got the idea that you said these fighters were turning down a fight on 8 days notice. Machida and Shogun were offered the later Toronto fight, which was a little more than a month's notice. Facts are facts.

I get what you're saying about Machida and Shogun not wanting to fight Jones after he's had a full training camp and they haven't. It was your '8 days notice' comment that I was correcting. Nothing more, nothing less. Choose to get uppity if you want, but I didn't mean any harm by it.
Is there a source for this? My understanding was that they declined the 151 fight, and Dana was then reluctant to give them the shot in Toronto because they already turned him down.

ETA: Never mind, found the article on MMA Junkie:

http://mmajunkie.com/news/30353/vito...at-ufc-152.mma

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Old 10-19-2012, 04:14 PM   #23 (permalink)
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And here's another for Shogun.

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/24/32...ght-at-ufc-152

Again, I wasn't correcting anyone on the length of training camps. I was simply saying that Shogun and Machida were both extended the opportunity to fight Jon a second time on more than 8 days notice. And both men declined.
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They're the only two people who we know got offered the fight.
Exactly, that's the problem.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:22 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Meh. I can understand them turning down the fight. They lost to Jon before, why would they risk their potential future shot on taking him on in short notice with only 3 weeks of prepararation and a full weight cut. Lose to the champ twice and chances are your not getting a shot again. Meanwhile Jon was on full camp. Sonnen had nothing to lose. I don't think DW is trying to prove any kind of message. Jones-Sonnen is just a money fight.
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Yep, it's essentially about the bottomline. The key though is how it got there. That's why I had to mention other fighters who turned it down. What choice did the UFC have; Glover, Gustaf (most plausible), Davis, Rashad (nobody will want to see a rematch), Cormier. Chael stepped up and somehow talked his way into it.

I would have let the LHW title holder recuperate and have the winner of Gustaf/Shogun, Glover/Rampage and especially Hendo/Machida take it. That makes sense...not Chael. To reiterate fortune favors the bold. Business can not wait. You ever see stock brokers operate. They sell and buy within nanoseconds. They gotta keep things moving and put on "entertaining shows," albeit with less than sportsman like qualities even at times. It's 80% sports like and 20% showmanship. You can thank Tito and Brock for that. It aint all bad. Easier to see on the outside much more difficult on the inside so I can understand fully their methodology here.
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Everybody saying that this was a "smart business move" doesn't know a thing about business. Yes, this will make the UFC money in the SHORT TERM, but long term it will hurt the bottom line by negatively influencing the promotion's appearance of legitimacy. When EliteXC put Kimbo Slice as a main event on CBS, yes they broke viewership records for that one card in the short term, but what happened to them long term? The promotion was rightfully viewed as a joke and it collapsed. I'd venture that almost everybody on this forum has no business experience whatsoever and thinks freakshows are the best way to sustain a profitable MMA business.
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Everybody saying that this was a "smart business move" doesn't know a thing about business. Yes, this will make the UFC money in the SHORT TERM, but long term it will hurt the bottom line by negatively influencing the promotion's appearance of legitimacy. When EliteXC put Kimbo Slice as a main event on CBS, yes they broke viewership records for that one card in the short term, but what happened to them long term? The promotion was rightfully viewed as a joke and it collapsed. I'd venture that almost everybody on this forum has no business experience whatsoever and thinks freakshows are the best way to sustain a profitable MMA business.
I for one don't think it's a prudent move at all. It was influenced by what was mentioned above. It's circumstantial. One got injured, the LHW title holder didn't want to take the replacement fight, enter The Phenom who injures his arm, two top fighters turned it down in the process, Chael steps up...it's the way it presented itself.

I think you're pretty riled up and I feel ya. That deal is done whether we like it or not. I despised the LHW holder for not taking the last minute replacement fight, but then I realized what for. He's the one that's gonna get the backlash eventually. Look...he now has to fight em and endure months of harassment where he could have decimated em at UFC 151 and become the likeable superstar the UFC wanted him to be.

He will forever be in Anderson's shadow. Anyways hope you get a different perspective on this. Can't get too riled up on things. Look at the bright side.
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Everybody saying that this was a "smart business move" doesn't know a thing about business. Yes, this will make the UFC money in the SHORT TERM, but long term it will hurt the bottom line by negatively influencing the promotion's appearance of legitimacy. When EliteXC put Kimbo Slice as a main event on CBS, yes they broke viewership records for that one card in the short term, but what happened to them long term? The promotion was rightfully viewed as a joke and it collapsed. I'd venture that almost everybody on this forum has no business experience whatsoever and thinks freakshows are the best way to sustain a profitable MMA business.
Sounds to me like it's you who doesn't know a thing about business. But you go ahead and insult people to get your 'point' across.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:16 PM   #29 (permalink)
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i never understand these threads because they always make it sound like something new and different is happening. Belfort didn't fight at middleweight before fighting silva, he didn't fight at lhw before fighting jones. Edgar has lost 2 fights in a row and hasn't fought at the weight class he is now getting a shot at. couture lost a title fight at hw and moved down and got a shot at lhw. certain legends have been constantly gifted titleshots.



the ultimate fighter gets bad ratings because it has been around for 300 seasons. there are only so many times you can watch fighters pee on things before you lose interest.
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Maybe less is more. UFC on FX, Spike, and Fox has pretty much diluted most of the major cards. People can bitch and whine about how Jon Jones (and other LHW fighters) didn't take a fight on 8 days notice but in the end Dana was the one that made a card that probably wouldn't hold up on Spike T.V. So because he made this lousy card he's going to punish the LHW division by giving a MW fighter, who lost his last fight, a title shot in a division he never fought in. What's next? Dana is going to give Melvin Guillard a shot at GSP?
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