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post #41 of 80 (permalink) Old 10-20-2012, 06:13 PM
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My perspective might be a bit screwed, but I have not watched a full season of TUF ever. I most likely would have watched it if they did have it on any channel on here. I really have no interest in waking up at 01 am to find out what forrest griffin felt like some 10 years ago. I've tried to watch some TUF hollywood seasons, but going on what something like 20th season in one country, you really get the not so talented as you did with the first season. I watched the fights on Brazilian TUF, well some of them.

What I'm trying to say is that yes I agree with the OP. It stinks of FOX and obligations. Dana got so frustrated and worked up at all the questions at the legitimacy of the match up that I think it was clear to even himself how unsporting this whole deal is. I'm not blaming dana at all, he was put between a rock and a hard place. I'm not really blaming Sonnen or Jones either, it is what it is. I think they all know it is bs, they just have to pretend its ok and the real deal. Luckily there isn't a chance Sonnen will win.
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The UFC couldn't possibly suffer that same fate, as it has dozens of bankable stars. Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre, Jon Jones, Chael Sonnen, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velasquez, Jose Aldo...
What Chael Sonnen's name is doing on that list ????


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MMA has never looked better than it does right this second. Stop complaining and enjoy this shit. It wont last forever.
Not even close. MMA was at it's peak when both Pride and UFC was at it's best.

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post #44 of 80 (permalink) Old 10-20-2012, 07:26 PM
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Oh no! President of sports entertainment business sells his soul to big TV corporation! What self respecting sport would go and whore itself like that? It's a disgrace.
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But hey, I'll bite. Here's why your comparing the UFC to EliteXC is faulty. EliteXC folded because it put all of its eggs in one basket - Kimbo Slice. EliteXC gambled on a single man, who it made the face of its entire organization. When Slice subsequently lost to a virtual nobody, the company had no one to fall back on. The UFC couldn't possibly suffer that same fate, as it has dozens of bankable stars. Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre, Jon Jones, Chael Sonnen, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velasquez, Jose Aldo, and the list goes on and on. I reiterate. EliteXC folded because its one, bankable star fell to a can, and along with him fell the promotion's credibility. The UFC is in a much better place.
Your interpretation is that EliteXC failed because it put all its eggs in one basket. My interpretation is that EliteXC failed because it damaged its own legitimacy by acting like a terrible fighter in Kimbo was a great champion, so when he was exposed nobody took EliteXC seriously anymore. In my UFC analogy, the UFC is acting like Sonnen is a worthy opponent and great fighter but when Bones finishes him fans will start connecting the dots as Sonnen has been finished in two consecutive title fights (unprecedented) and will rightfully lose respect for the legitimacy of the UFC.

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Secondly, EliteXC, aside from banking on a single man, also banked almost exclusively on 'freakshow' fights. The UFC does not. You and others like to be dramatic and make the claim that UFC is going the route of professional wrestling. But the fact remains that for every 'freakshow' or 'money' fight we're subjected to, we're treated to dozens of competitive bouts between hungry and game fighters looking to make their way up the ladder. As long as we continue to enjoy cards such as UFC 153, the organization can afford to mix in the odd 'oh no they didn't' fight. The fact is that the latter fights occur very rarely. Hence, the UFC will not be worse off in the long run. All it will take is another card the likes of UFC 153 to roll along, and everyone will have forgotten about this Chael/Jones fiasco. That's a fact.
What are you talking about? UFC 153 was a freak show fight too, unless you're crazy enough to consider Silva-Bonnar a serious fight...

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And thirdly, the UFC has a virtual monopoly over the MMA scene. If you had any knowledge of business, you'd understand why this means that it is nearly impossible that the UFC will one day have to shut its doors due to a single fight. Especially when the casual fans will eat that fight up. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the UFC is going to be just fine.
First, being a monopoly does not mean you are invincible. Myspace had a monopoly on social media at one point, and where is that now? UFC will not struggle because of one fight, it will struggle because of the general direction it is headed in which is REFLECTED STRONGLY by this one particular fight. Also, I never said the UFC will go bankrupt I'm just saying that it will not grow significantly if Dana keeps up these shenanigans.
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Your interpretation is that EliteXC failed because it put all its eggs in one basket. My interpretation is that EliteXC failed because it damaged its own legitimacy by acting like a terrible fighter in Kimbo was a great champion, so when he was exposed nobody took EliteXC seriously anymore. In my UFC analogy, the UFC is acting like Sonnen is a worthy opponent and great fighter but when Bones finishes him fans will start connecting the dots as Sonnen has been finished in two consecutive title fights (unprecedented) and will rightfully lose respect for the legitimacy of the UFC.
Well then we view the situation differently. To each his own.

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What are you talking about? UFC 153 was a freak show fight too, unless you're crazy enough to consider Silva-Bonnar a serious fight...
I'll give you the main event, though I'd refer to it as exhibition over freak-show. That said, I was referencing the card as a whole. Surely you can admit that for the most part, UFC 153 made for an exciting night of fun and competitive bouts. If the UFC can keep pumping out PPVs such as those, I don't see the odd 'money fight' overshadowing them. I think that in this day and age, you can throw in the odd Sonnen vs. Jones or Bonnar vs. Silva when your business model is still heavily rooted in pitting the best against the best. You feel that the UFC is headed in the direction of freak show fights, whereas I see them as an occasional occurrence in an organization where competitive and justifiable bouts are more the norm. We may have to agree to disagree on this point. And again, to each their own.

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First, being a monopoly does not mean you are invincible. Myspace had a monopoly on social media at one point, and where is that now? UFC will not struggle because of one fight, it will struggle because of the general direction it is headed in which is REFLECTED STRONGLY by this one particular fight. Also, I never said the UFC will go bankrupt I'm just saying that it will not grow significantly if Dana keeps up these shenanigans.
I didn't say that the UFC was invincible, but rather that it is not going to suffer the same fate as EliteXC due to one fight (whereas EliteXC did indeed die because of one fight). I see that you concede that point, and I can concede that were the UFC to head strictly in the direction of entertainment and exhibition/freak show fights, it would indeed be bad for business. However, I don't see that happening. I see a continued pattern of competitive bouts pitting top guy against top guy with the occasional 'oddball' fight factored in for casual fans, profit, and the like.

Growth is a trickier issue. I've always felt that the UFC would plateau regardless of whatever direction it took. Some countries want purely competitive bouts pitting the best against the best, while others are very much into the theatricality and showiness of it all (Japan)... and though the UFC does a fairly good job of mixing it up now and again, how much bigger do we expect this organization to get? It's on a major network. It hosts regular PPVs all across the world. It has reality programs spanning the globe. It is home to the largest roster of fighters currently in existence. I'm genuinely curious as to where people think the UFC could go from here.
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I hope for the sake of MMA that you're right, Canadian Psycho. I'm just pretty blown about the fact that Bones is locked up until next April because of Sonnen when I would much rather see fights with Gus/Glover/Phil Davis.
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I'm getting sick of Jones fighting bloated middleweights I can't wait till the day he steps into the cage with Black Fedor.

Hopefully Sonnen can get Jones down at least once. There is some hope...
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I'm getting sick of Jones fighting bloated middleweights I can't wait till the day he steps into the cage with Black Fedor.

Hopefully Sonnen can get Jones down at least once. There is some hope...
Not sold on DC at 205 if that's what you meant. I wonder what's Sonnens plan once he get's him down. I doubt it'd be easy to control JBJ.

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Not even close. MMA was at it's peak when both Pride and UFC was at it's best.
Right now, the UFC has a collection of the most talented fighters ever, and we get to see MUCH more action inside the cage. That puts it way ahead to me.

Tito Ortiz, Chuck Lidell, Dan Henderson, Rampage Jackson, Shogun Rua etc. aren't as talented as Jon Jones.

Every heavyweight with the exception of Overeem and Fedor arent as talented as JDS.

Anderson Silva is the greatest fighter of all time.

GSP is the greatest welterweight of all time.

Ben Hendo can fk off and stop ruining my great streak above.

Jose Aldo to my knowledge is the best FW ever.

Dominic Cruz and Mighty Mouse....ehhhh....whatever.

The fact is, right now with every division, maybe except MW and the new ones, being completley stacked to the top, I dont see how right this second cant be the best time MMA has ever seen. I'm all for nostalgia, but sometimes you have to let the past go and stop complaining about what we have now. Plenty of rap fans complaining in the 90s when NWA and 2pac were around, plenty of boxers complained when Ali and Frazier were around. Looking back, they were wrong, and in like 5 years looking back, you'll realize that you were wrong.

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