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Old 10-20-2012, 11:41 AM   #21 (permalink)
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People are getting carried away. Diaz would blow Maia out of the water, Ellenberger/Maia would look like Marquardt/Maia did, and Fitch would Fitch him. His only real win at 170 is Rick Story....

Top notch Jiu-Jitsu, obviously, but average takedowns and mediocre striking at best will only get you so far.
His takedowns haven't looked "average" at 170 though, have they? He's had two tough opponents and he took both of them down easily.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:55 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if he would beat Fitch, Diaz, Ellenberger, Kos, Hendricks, Rory. But Maia is an interesting matchup just because if it does hit the ground he is better than everyone. Some not as much as others. But he has the ability to sub anyone if t ends up on the ground.

I personally think he should pull guard more. Even pull half guard. He can take a lot of guys down with his trips and BJJ style TDs. But when he can't he should look to pull guard more.

That said, many of those fights could end up as crappy kickboxing fights if Maia can't get guys to the mat. Fitch/Maia, Kos/Maia would both be crappy striking battles. And Hendricks and Ellenberger wouldn't be as aggressive worrying about running into a TD. And have chances of being a very cautious kickboxing fights.

I'd like to see him vs. Kos or Fitch really just to see if he could pull something off. If Fitch doesn't let it go to the ground we can sort of see where Maia and Fitch are in their striking. Maybe one will end up picking the other apart.

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Old 10-20-2012, 12:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Maia vs. Diaz or Fitch would be a real fun fight.

How cool would it be to see Maia hit Nick with a head juicer like he did Story.
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That happened as Maia was taking him down. Maia already had the body lock and the leverage around his own center of gravity. Stinger or no stinger, Kim was going down at that point.
He didn't have a stinger. A judo player like stungun doesn't just fall over like that. The takedown happened the way it did because of the injury.
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:12 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I think Diaz's ground game vs. Maia's ground game could make for one fine bout.

I also wouldn't mind the Fitch match-up, especially if Jon were to keep up his new and improved approach to fighting.
Maia's ground game is much more advanced then Diaz's.

I would like to see Maia fight Fitch.
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Maia's submission are marginally better, but his takedowns and ground control are a world better than Diaz. Plus he is stronger...cant see Diaz living with him on the ground at all.
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He didn't have a stinger. A judo player like stungun doesn't just fall over like that. The takedown happened the way it did because of the injury.
Except that Kim wasn't injured. He had a muscle spasm and with the way Maia had hold of him he was going down anyway. Judo doesn't make you immune to trips and throws especially not against a grappler like Maia.
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People are getting carried away. Diaz would blow Maia out of the water, Ellenberger/Maia would look like Marquardt/Maia did, and Fitch would Fitch him. His only real win at 170 is Rick Story....

Top notch Jiu-Jitsu, obviously, but average takedowns and mediocre striking at best will only get you so far.
I agree with Ellenberger, he would kill Maia quick. Don't see Fitch, Fitching him at all tho, Maias grappling is simply better. If anything Fitch might win an awkward kickboxingmatch.
Regarding Diaz I see Maia as a terrible matchup for him, I think Maia beats him 7 - 8 times out of 10.
Maia isn't dumb enough to stand with Diaz & he would get the takedown easily. What does Diaz do from there? he has an excellent guard but Maia is so much better on the ground.
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Diaz would murder Maia via standup
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Diaz would murder Maia via standup
He wouldn't be able to keep it standing though. Diaz has horrible tdd.
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