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Old 10-21-2012, 11:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Personally, I think Weidman is a very good fighter and will eventually fight for the title. Now, I do not believe he can beat Silva. Silva's striking and speed will be too much for anyone. There are a few camps out there that will crank the spin machine with the objective of a big payday and also the spotlight and recognition that comes with a title fight. I would like to see Weidman against another top contender.
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Old 10-21-2012, 11:21 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It's MMA, Fans need hope. Of course he's over-rated. Mark Munoz is a straight up can.
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Old 10-21-2012, 11:28 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The main reason he has so much hype is not the Munoz fight, it's that he's rag dolled and owned everyone but Maia when he had a severe weight cut, that and his success in straight grappling tournaments(going to points with Galvao as a purple belt three years ago, etc)

Anyone who believes Boetsch has a chance against him is high, he's gonna strangle Tim.



That's par for the course for a guy with nine fights.

You know Weidman cut 32 lbs in 11 days for that fight right?
In regards to the Maia fight:

I am not meaning to hold it against him. Maia is an insanely gifted fighter and mad props to Weidman for stepping up.

Even in round 1 though, before Weidman started to fade, Maia connected relatively often. If that happens against Silva it will be a quick night.

He was also tagged by Sakara, Bongfeldt, and Lawlor. All solid competition, so this isn't meant to belittle Weidman's wins.

That said, I still think I'm being realistic with my initial conclusion.

On a side note:

How would you see a fight with Bisping going down? A quick technical striker with solid cardio and good TDD.

Bisping may not be a fan favorite in the states, but candidly, I think he would provide a great test for Weidman before he goes after Silva. Y/N?
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Bisping may not be a fan favorite in the states, but candidly, I think he would provide a great test for Weidman before he goes after Silva. Y/N?
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In regards to the Maia fight:

I am not meaning to hold it against him. Maia is an insanely gifted fighter and mad props to Weidman for stepping up.

Even in round 1 though, before Weidman started to fade, Maia connected relatively often. If that happens against Silva it will be a quick night.

He was also tagged by Sakara, Bongfeldt, and Lawlor. All solid competition, so this isn't meant to belittle Weidman's wins.

That said, I still think I'm being realistic with my initial conclusion.

On a side note:

How would you see a fight with Bisping going down? A quick technical striker with solid cardio and good TDD.

Bisping may not be a fan favorite in the states, but candidly, I think he would provide a great test for Weidman before he goes after Silva. Y/N?
I've stated before, and even mentioned this in a Youtube video, I think the best thing for Weidman is to spend time in Holland, working on his kickboxing. His striking is his weakest point but I do believe his grappling more than makes up for it, as a fan though I don't freak out over it, he hasn't been doing MMA long and world class striking isn' something you learn in a day, he'll get there.

He seems to have a good chin though, Bongfeldt kicked him right in the face and he recovered quickly.

As far as Bisping goes, I think your assessment of Weidman also holds true for Bisping as he too gets rocked in all of his fights. I don't believe Bisping has ever fought anyone who goes for submissions like Weidman does, I think Weidman would decision him though, that or sub him, Bisping has good TDD defense but I'd like to see him and Weidman fight, it'd be a real test for his ju-jitsu.

This, though is why I'm sold on Weidman being Anderson's biggest challenge. http://www.sherdog.com/blog/ADCC-200...n-Defeat-19979

Anderson is clearly the best fighter in the game, maybe of all time but if Weidman can do that three years ago, I think the chances of him taking Anderson down and keeping him there aren't as out of this world as some would have you believe. His grappling is absolutely phenomenal and I don't think many people are aware of just how scary he is on the mat.
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I've stated before, and even mentioned this in a Youtube video, I think the best thing for Weidman is to spend time in Holland, working on his kickboxing. His striking is his weakest point but I do believe his grappling more than makes up for it, as a fan though I don't freak out over it, he hasn't been doing MMA long and world class striking isn' something you learn in a day, he'll get there.

He seems to have a good chin though, Bongfeldt kicked him right in the face and he recovered quickly.

As far as Bisping goes, I think your assessment of Weidman also holds true for Bisping as he too gets rocked in all of his fights. I don't believe Bisping has ever fought anyone who goes for submissions like Weidman does, I think Weidman would decision him though, that or sub him, Bisping has good TDD defense but I'd like to see him and Weidman fight, it'd be a real test for his ju-jitsu.

This, though is why I'm sold on Weidman being Anderson's biggest challenge. http://www.sherdog.com/blog/ADCC-200...n-Defeat-19979

Anderson is clearly the best fighter in the game, maybe of all time but if Weidman can do that three years ago, I think the chances of him taking Anderson down and keeping him there aren't as out of this world as some would have you believe. His grappling is absolutely phenomenal and I don't think many people are aware of just how scary he is on the mat.
I have to agree that he has done very well in regards to adding sub skills to his wrestling base. I do not think that the BJJ is at the point that he could potentially sub Silva though. Here is why:

In his pure grappling tournaments, he did make a splash very quickly. In fact, I want to say he was able to do what BJ Penn receives so much praise for: walk into the grappling matches being very new to the sport, and leaving an impression of "WTF....he's only been training two years?!"

That was in a pure grappling match though. In his MMA fights he has other tendencies.

He seems to go with power submissions around the neck : a few guillotines (from different positions) and multiple tries at arm in - darce - and modified arm triangles.

All of the above will be very difficult to pull of on Silva.

The other thing that sticks out in my mind is how Chris is always setting up the take downs. Go re-watch his fights if you need to confirm this, but I do not believe he has ever simply shot for a single or double without using strikes to set it up. While hes setting up a TD, Anderson will be gauging his timing...as soon as he gets it; goodnight Weidman.

I want Anderson to have a true challenger...I really do. Any maybe Weidman is the guy to beat him, but I simply see too many ways to Anderson to win this fight.

I will buy the card and watch it just as excited as I am with any new prospect. I suppose this is all just theoretical until after 155 anyways. If Chris over looks Tim, he will regret it.
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Weidman is the real deal.

Do I think he can beat Anderson? No. Not right now. Chael proved that in order to beat Anderson, one thing that is essential is an explosive shot. Weidman doesn't have fast, or explosive enough takedowns to get Anderson to the mat, at least judging from his past fights. As previously mentioned, there are several holes in his striking game that he will undoubtedly improve, but a decent chin will only get you so far against Anderson.

However, Weidman's skills are absolutely for real. The guy is incredible on the ground, especially considering the fact that he hasn't been training that long, he's only going to get better and IMO he mops the floor with the likes of Bisping, Belfort, Belcher and company. In two, or maybe three years, I'd give him a shot at beating an older, slower Anderson and once Anderson retires I guarantee that he will be the champ for a few years. But right now? I don't think anyone is touching the Spider at least until he's 40.
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He's a good fighter, if he were to fight Anderson next, which is plausible due to the current state of the division, he should be a massive underdog. Can't see anything there that Andy can't avoid or deal with.
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Premature?

The dude knocked out Mark Munoz. That puts him in the elite company of Matt Hamill.

Also, he's obviously an unstoppable beast on the ground.

Blue belts that submit Tom Lawlor are impossible to match and he would obviously tool Belcher and several other top tier black belts.
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I like this thread because it's not blind following. People say that he's the real deal, and I find myself thinking "Pfft, nah he's not", but when I read in they are still not putting him in there with Anderson.

I've always said, he's not good enough to fight for the title. His record isn't good enough for one, he hasn't really faught anybody worth mentioning, and in ring he hasn't shown enough skills. He is killing these guys, yes, but too many questions haven't been answered for us to make full predictions. No one who has wrestling skills has tried to take him down, no one with proper grappling has been in a clinch with him, no one has really attacked heavily with submissions on him. He's not even faught a high level stand up fighter. The only reason he's getting put in the main event is because of how shallow the MW division has become with Anderson's domination. I think it could use some cleaning out, and if Anderson fights GSP, if may give us the right amount of time.

Weidman Vs Boetsch
Bisping Vs Belcher

Winner Vs Winner. While Lombard is working on getting his name back up there, this fight can sort out the top of the division. These are all names in contention and if these fights were put together, we could get a rightful challenger. Weidman will have went through a alright fighter in Tim, and a very good fighter in Belcher/Bisping if he won. He'd have a strong undefeated streak, with credible wins, and would definently be good enough to challenge for a world title.

He's a very good fighter, and could potentially be world champion whenever Anderson hangs it up, but people should give him the space and time to get to that level and stop overrating him this second because really, he doesnt have anything in his game which looks like it would challenge AS.
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