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zath the champ 10-21-2012 01:22 AM

Weidman - Are the bandwagons a bit premature?
 
Hello All,

I was re-watching all of Chris' fights in the UFC so far tonight. After each fight, I kept thinking his chances of actually beating Silva (and hell, maybe even Tim) are very slim.

I think the main reason he has so much hype stems from one fight: Munoz. Thing is, that match-up had so little standup exchanges, it feels like people are forgetting that he barely won an SD over Maia and was tagged all 3 rounds by a very rudimentary (compared to Silva) striker.

He has been tagged hard in every one of his fights except against Mark. That will not fly in a fight with Silva.

He has great control if a take down is successful.

But, Weidman's striking and striking defense are nowhere near where they need to be to exchange with Silva. He leaves his hands lower than they should be. He throws with a ton of commitment and comes forward with his chin down.

For a counter-striker as gifted as Silva, this would just be target practice on the feet.

Can Anderson be taken down and controlled? Yes; but over the course of 25 mins, I'm confident Silva would score the TKO/KO.

What do ya think? Am I way off base here?

St.Paul Guy 10-21-2012 01:47 AM

Weidman is absolutely legit. I'm usually overly skeptical about young fighters on tears, but Weidman is everything he is made out to be and more. He is the best American grappler in the UFC as far as I'm concerned, and I have little doubt he will make Boetsch look childish.

I don't think it is ridiculous to think that he could take Silva down and submit him. He probably wouldn't, but he is really the only guy at 185 with half a shot at beating The Spider.

zath the champ 10-21-2012 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by St.Paul Guy (Post 1639819)
Weidman is absolutely legit. I'm usually overly skeptical about young fighters on tears, but Weidman is everything he is made out to be and more. He is the best American grappler in the UFC as far as I'm concerned, and I have little doubt he will make Boetsch look childish.

I don't think it is ridiculous to think that he could take Silva down and submit him. He probably wouldn't, but he is really the only guy at 185 with half a shot at beating The Spider.

He is legit. I am just wondering if his standup will be easily countered by Silva...or maybe (just maybe!) even Boetsch.

Either way, I'm glad he at least has another fight with a decent striker before this train takes off at full speed towards a title shot.

duckyou666 10-21-2012 04:38 AM

Finally, someone else that sees this situation my way, or the correct way. Yes, Whinemann is a great Wrestler who is deadly on the ground. Yes, that has been shown to be Silva's kryptonite. Thing is tough, if Whineybabymann doesn't score the TD within the first 2 minutes, then finish Silva, he will be murdered standing. Whiney's stand up is amateurish..., unrefined would probably be a more suitable description, and the healthy Silva has shown that he only goes down once and if you don't win the fight then and there, you will not take him down again. Anyways, back on topic, Maia domina..., won the stand up against Whiny rather decisively. Demian F***ing Maia! The BJJ expert with amateur Boxing skills, at best. If his slow and technically deficient ass can tag Weidbaby whenever he wants, Silva will literally kill him with whatever he want whenever he feels like it.

hellholming 10-21-2012 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by duckyou666 (Post 1639833)
Finally, someone else that sees this situation my way, or the correct way.

go run your horse into a skyscraper so that you'll maybe fall of it.

You so conveniently forgot that Weidman took that Maia fight on a short notice, so he had to drop an insane amount of weight in a short time. If you think that didn't make his performance suffer you need to run into the skyscraper again.. Every fight Weidman has had after a full camp, he has looked impressive.

Is he ready for Anderson? I don't think so. But he sure is a helluva lot better than you give him credit for.

Hammerlock2.0 10-21-2012 04:53 AM

Isn't that what bandwagons are for? Suspension of disbelief? They wouldn't be fun otherwise in my opinion.

Ludinator 10-21-2012 05:12 AM

I think Weidman is a little overated right now. His most impressive win is over Munoz, really?. I think Anderson would clown around with Weidman, just like everyone else.

Guy Incognito 10-21-2012 08:12 AM

He'll be a force to be reckoned with but he needs more time.

Don't think he'd beat Anderson though.

LL 10-21-2012 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by zath the champ (Post 1639815)
Hello All,

I was re-watching all of Chris' fights in the UFC so far tonight. After each fight, I kept thinking his chances of actually beating Silva (and hell, maybe even Tim) are very slim.

I think the main reason he has so much hype stems from one fight: Munoz. Thing is, that match-up had so little standup exchanges, it feels like people are forgetting that he barely won an SD over Maia and was tagged all 3 rounds by a very rudimentary (compared to Silva) striker.

He has been tagged hard in every one of his fights except against Mark. That will not fly in a fight with Silva.

He has great control if a take down is successful.

But, Weidman's striking and striking defense are nowhere near where they need to be to exchange with Silva. He leaves his hands lower than they should be. He throws with a ton of commitment and comes forward with his chin down.

For a counter-striker as gifted as Silva, this would just be target practice on the feet.

Can Anderson be taken down and controlled? Yes; but over the course of 25 mins, I'm confident Silva would score the TKO/KO.

What do ya think? Am I way off base here?

No.

The main reason he has so much hype is not the Munoz fight, it's that he's rag dolled and owned everyone but Maia when he had a severe weight cut, that and his success in straight grappling tournaments(going to points with Galvao as a purple belt three years ago, etc)

Anyone who believes Boetsch has a chance against him is high, he's gonna strangle Tim.

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Originally Posted by duckyou666 (Post 1639833)
Finally, someone else that sees this situation my way, or the correct way. Yes, Whinemann is a great Wrestler who is deadly on the ground. Yes, that has been shown to be Silva's kryptonite. Thing is tough, if Whineybabymann doesn't score the TD within the first 2 minutes, then finish Silva, he will be murdered standing. Whiney's stand up is amateurish..., unrefined would probably be a more suitable description, and the healthy Silva has shown that he only goes down once and if you don't win the fight then and there, you will not take him down again. Anyways, back on topic, Maia domina..., won the stand up against Whiny rather decisively. Demian F***ing Maia! The BJJ expert with amateur Boxing skills, at best. If his slow and technically deficient ass can tag Weidbaby whenever he wants, Silva will literally kill him with whatever he want whenever he feels like it.

That's par for the course for a guy with nine fights.

You know Weidman cut 32 lbs in 11 days for that fight right?

BrianRClover 10-21-2012 09:15 AM

Weidman is one of the few names on a very short list that's titled... "I sure can't wait for Anderson to retire or drop that title"...

Seriously though. I'm okay with the hype Chris has behind him, we need some pumped up MW contenders. I do think Bisping should get a shot before he does though. Even in defeat, Bisping's performance against the grappling abilities of Chael Sonnen is more impressive to me than anything Weidman has done.


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