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LL 10-21-2012 08:33 PM

Dominant Champs - Good or Bad for MMA?
 
Was just having a chat with one of my friends and I came on here and it gave me the thought of asking him if he was going to catch UFC 154, after I asked him if he would, he gave me an interesting reply.

'Maybe, the same people always win though, it's kind of boring.'

This really struck me as interesting, just a few years ago me and all my friends used to watch the UFC's together but in the last year or so I've been watching all of them by myself and his answer led me to ask this question.

Are dominant champs bad for MMA? If you think about it, MMA does have quite a few long standing champs, Anderson and GSP obviously but Cruz and Aldo have held their belts for quite a few years. Junior's undefeated in the UFC and has already beat Cain in 64 seconds a year ago and Jones has smashed pretty much everyone he's fought.

Would you find MMA more interesting if say, someone beat an Anderson or GSP?

A lot of people think Lightweight is the most interesting division but that division had a major shift in power when BJ who like Anderson and GSP was a P4P mainstay and a dominant champ lost to Edgar and now Edgar isn't the Champ anymore.

What do you guys think? Is there a valid point to this or have my friends just lost interest?

OHKO 10-21-2012 08:55 PM

You might just be right. Right now, the middleweight division doesn't appeal to me as much as say, the lightweight division. In the middleweight division, they try to hype guys up like Boetsch, Bisping, and Weidman. However, does anyone truly believe that these guys stand a legit chance of defeating Anderson Silva? In the lightweight division, you have guys like Cerrone, Pettis, Diaz, Maynard and many more who have real potential to become champ. This keeps the division interesting as you want to keep an eye on these people making their way to the top.

However, it kind of goes both way. Dominant champs make the division look boring. Yet when they fight, I get the most excited. I would much rather see Anderson Silva fight than Ben Henderson. You want to see what the dominant champ can pull off this time. Even if you aren't a fan, you want to see the dominant champ fall. This adds excitement to the fight.

For the lightweight title fights, yes the title might change hands, which makes the fight kind of interesting. However, when the title keeps switching hands, you get the illusion that the division is so weak that none of the fighters are good enough to hold the belt for any significant period of time ( Not that it is true ). Also, a change in title holder would be less shocking as the fans already expected it.

ClydebankBlitz 10-21-2012 08:58 PM

I think dominant champs really make the title meaningful. When people look back at the record sheets in the future, they will want their name down with an elite number of fighters. Right now, all divisions are still kind of shallow with champs. Mainly because our current generation have held the straps for a while, but that will mean so much in the future. Think of WWE as a weak example. What establishes it's world title is being put in the history books along with the greats to have entered the ring. When weak champions come along or undeserving wrestlers, it tarnishes that section of the legacy.

If Anderson retires and we once again get a dominant champion it will be so amazing for that division's legacy and reputation.

Casuals or internet fans will always complain, especially in saying that a division is short as a result of a dominant champ, but whenever we come across that moment when a true dominant champ has a new dominant challenger, it will all be worth while.

ACTAFOOL 10-21-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ClydebankBlitz (Post 1640015)
I think dominant champs really make the title meaningful. When people look back at the record sheets in the future, they will want their name down with an elite number of fighters. Right now, all divisions are still kind of shallow with champs. Mainly because our current generation have held the straps for a while, but that will mean so much in the future. Think of WWE as a weak example. What establishes it's world title is being put in the history books along with the greats to have entered the ring. When weak champions come along or undeserving wrestlers, it tarnishes that section of the legacy.

If Anderson retires and we once again get a dominant champion it will be so amazing for that division's legacy and reputation.

Casuals or internet fans will always complain, especially in saying that a division is short as a result of a dominant champ, but whenever we come across that moment when a true dominant champ has a new dominant challenger, it will all be worth while.

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TheAuger 10-21-2012 09:58 PM

I think having dominant champs in a few divisions is good for MMA. But having the majority of divisions dominated by a single fighter is also not good.

Right now I think the UFC has too many dominant champs. You have Anderson, GSP, & Jones as fighters who are dominant champions. If Aldo gets past Edgar & Cruz comes back healthy, you could have five divisions out of seven(I don't count FW as a division yet) that are dominated by a single fighter. To me this is unhealthy for the UFC or MMA in general.

MMA-Sportsman 10-21-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAuger (Post 1640024)
I think having dominant champs in a few divisions is good for MMA. But having the majority of divisions dominated by a single fighter is also not good.

??? Elaborate please. Good in which way? Not good in which way?

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Originally Posted by TheAuger (Post 1640024)
Right now I think the UFC has too many dominant champs. You have Anderson, GSP, & Jones as fighters who are dominant champions. If Aldo gets past Edgar & Cruz comes back healthy, you could have five divisions out of seven(I don't count FW as a division yet) that are dominated by a single fighter. To me this is unhealthy for the UFC or MMA in general.

Unhealthy????????? This is the result of the each champion qualities on keeping their belts. What to do? Fire them for a chance to the upcomers?

ptw 10-21-2012 10:26 PM

I think there eventually every division will have a dominant champ once the sport matures a little more. We'll see dominant champs at every level of competition once the sport matures a bit more and there are more fighters added to the UFC roster as it grows. Right now the sport is still relatively amateur, people just recently started to take wrestling serious, almost everyone has a bjj game etc.

3DLee 10-21-2012 10:51 PM

I have no problem with the champs being dominant. AS and GSP are the only 2 that have been champ for a really long time. JJ has just fought a lot of fights and cleaned out the top of his division. But within the next 10 years, I think things will be different. I believe you'll see guys that may have went into the NFL or NBA coming into the UFC. In other words, I think in 10 years, you'll have more Jon Jones than say Forrest Griffins. Forrest is a tough guy that is without a doubt an athlete and a hard worker. But I see in the future the sport will be filled with these super athletes like GSP and Jon Jones. Back in the day, good highschool and college level athlete like Matt Hughes and Tito Ortiz and real dojo studs like Chuck Liddell and Vitor Belfort were surpreme. The next generation of champions will be what I call true professional athletes.

No_Mercy 10-21-2012 10:53 PM

I don't think anyone can despise anyone who simply wins. It shows how far superior he/she are in comparison to the rest of the division. That's the beauty of the sport. There are so many divisions to watch and enjoy. Some are dominant, some are not. If anything it creates intense scrutiny on the champ and entire division which translates to more eyes watching it.

125 - should be interesting with the inaugural title fight recently.
135 - think there will be a new champ soon.
145 - Aldo has held a solid grip here.
155 - Smell a revolving door. If not Diaz then Pettis.
170 - GSP got injured and now faces the longest layoff of his career in facing a very game opponent.
185 - The Spider reigns supreme.
205 - New dominant champ.
225 - Possible long reign "if" he can take down Cain x2 and Overeem. Two huge tests.

A 250+ division will be added in five to ten years.

Add in the odd female fights and ya got a mix bag of fights.

zath the champ 10-21-2012 11:01 PM

Its a mixed bag.

They allow the faces of the brand to be very recognizable.

They also make it hard to sell the underdogs having a shot to the masses.

Once again....if fighters were not allowed to decline (sanctioned) fights...


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