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Old 10-24-2012, 04:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The fact of the matter is, the talent pool is just so small.

I'm a fan of Ronda, and I've enjoyed some awesome female MMA matches, but they really need to think about their audience here...

Who do they think they are doing this for? Do they think they will attract MORE female fans? Highly doubtful.

Most casual fans already don't care much about the lighter weight classes. I think the UFC needs to channel their efforts on keeping their existing fans happy before it's too late.
I think you're not quite aware of the market the UFC attracts, Women fighting, rolling around on the ground in short shorts could be a huge boost to the UFC.

Think a lot of people are under estimating what Women's MMA could do for the UFC, Rhonda can be huge for them and if the UFC has a Women's division I wouldn't be shocked if Gina came back for a fight, they need to make it Women's 140 though.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
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There's so much wrong with this mentality that I can't even get into it here as it will completely derail the thread.

But my counter-argument would include things like pre-civil rights movement society, pre-women's suffrage society, apartheid states, the holocaust, shark fin soup, anti-abortionists...

In short it would include a lot of examples of the people who were right triumphing over the social norms of an ignorant society.
I didn't say I agreed with society, I just said that if you're running a business then you have to care about what society thinks, because that is your market. To use your Holocaust analogy, imagine if I tried to open a Jewish Deli in Nazi Germany. From a moral perspective, there is nothing wrong with that. But from a business perspective, my Deli would get shut down overnight. See the difference? I'm not talking about morality here, I'm talking about business.
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:02 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Explain why Invicta does so well then? Or all the attention Gina and now Rousey get in the media?
Invicta doesn't do "so well". In fact, nobody outside of these forums have ever even heard of Invicta. I didn't even know about Invicta until I came on these forums, and I'm a big MMA fan. Only in your extremely miopic diehard MMA fanboy perspective is Invicta a big company or Gina and Rousey big superstars. 99% of people I'm sure have never even heard of Gina or Rousey.
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I think you're not quite aware of the market the UFC attracts, Women fighting, rolling around on the ground in short shorts could be a huge boost to the UFC.

Think a lot of people are under estimating what Women's MMA could do for the UFC, Rhonda can be huge for them and if the UFC has a Women's division I wouldn't be shocked if Gina came back for a fight, they need to make it Women's 140 though.
I'm completely aware of the audience which is why I acknowledge that the casual fans will be interested in watching the more attractive or super elite females fight, but how many are there really? Enough to warrant an entire division??

This is really going to fizzle for them FAST. They are trying to do too much at once hoping that one of the things will catch on.

Would you rather watch Gina fight, or GSP?

At the end of the day, I think most fight fans would rather watch two dudes brutally duke it out.
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I think you're not quite aware of the market the UFC attracts, Women fighting, rolling around on the ground in short shorts could be a huge boost to the UFC.

Think a lot of people are under estimating what Women's MMA could do for the UFC, Rhonda can be huge for them and if the UFC has a Women's division I wouldn't be shocked if Gina came back for a fight, they need to make it Women's 140 though.
Probably but before Rousey came along and when Santos was cleaning out ladies left and right, women fights did poorly in Strikeforce. It may take more time than it should, but their will always be the majority out there that dont want to see women get their face pounded in, when as a Society, we are taught you arent even allowed to poke a woman if you want to risk going to jail.

I am not opposed to the idea of Womens MMA, im not. But thier is a huge difference when someone says "I dont think their is a problem", and by actually watching and supporting it. A Politician could support our Troops to a crowd, but he sure as hell wont let his Son enlist. I dont think a whole Women's League will be successful, so I doubt Invicta will last long. I think having a women match here and there in the UFC is the way to go like with Strikeforce. But be prepared to add a "Woman Fight" with a "Flyweight Fight" on a list where people would rather go to the concession stands and washrooms than sit and watch it. It might be morally wrong to think this way, but its going to be the truth for at least a couple of years. But as long as the people are already in the building waiting to see the other fights, it wont sting as bad.

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I'm completely aware of the audience which is why I acknowledge that the casual fans will be interested in watching the more attractive or super elite females fight, but how many are there really? Enough to warrant an entire division??

This is really going to fizzle for them FAST. They are trying to do too much at once hoping that one of the things will catch on.

Would you rather watch Gina fight, or GSP?

At the end of the day, I think most fight fans would rather watch two dudes brutally duke it out.
I like watching them both, there was a point when I wasn't high on WMMA but in the last two years I've really come around, I think Tate vs. Kedzie is one of the best fights of the year.

Invicta is also building talent, I think the UFC would be wise to swoop that up if they do bring a Women's Division to the UFC.

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Probably but before Rousey came along and when Santos was cleaning out ladies left and right, women fights did poorly in Strikeforce. It may take more time than it should, but their will always be the majority out there that dont want to see women get their face pounded in, when as a Society, we are taught you arent even allowed to poke a woman if you want to risk going to jail.

I am not opposed to the idea of Womens MMA, im not. But thier is a huge difference when someone says "I dont think their is a problem", and by actually watching and supporting it. A Politician could support our Troops to a crowd, but he sure as hell wont let his Son enlist. I dont think a whole Women's League will be successful, so I doubt Invicta will last long. I think having a women match here and there in the UFC is the way to go like with Strikeforce. But be prepared to add a "Woman Fight" with a "Flyweight Fight" on a list where people would rather go to the concession stands and washrooms than sit and watch it. It might be morally wrong to think this way, but its going to be the truth for at least a couple of years. But as long as the people are already in the building waiting to see the other fights, it wont sting as bad.
I think the time is now, Women's MMA has really come along way in the last two years and it's not just because of Ronda Rousey but she is the key and the centerpiece and I think she'd have a huge following in the UFC. It just depends on how the fanbase comes around, will the 18-32 male demographic like watching girls fight and roll around on the ground? I think they will.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:55 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I'm sure none of the anti-wmma posters never seen an actual WMMA event like they used to have in Japan or like Invicta now. they just want huge dudes, haymakers and 1st round KO.

if it ever gets more technical than that, then they qualify it as "boring" because there's actual thinking involved and well, when you're an idiot, you usually don't like stuff that involves brain activity.

There is very good talent in WMMA and it only needs a good promotion to grow exponentially.

Because WMMA may also bring another kind of fan, maybe more women will tune in and watch UFC, maybe it'll finally ease up on the "violent and brutal" image of the UFC for numerous non-fans.

Just realize, all of you anti wmma, you have the EXACT same attitude towards WMMA as the ones who say MMA is nothing but a bunch of roided tanks swinging at each other until one falls down.

the attitude of those who don't know what they're talking about, but would rather remain in the wrong than actually learning something and open their mind.

my 2cts, flame away now. I'm out of this topic.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:24 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I like the idea of a women's division about much as I like the 125 lb division right now, I can do without either.

Their just isn't enough talent to create a meaningful division for wmma in the UFC right now. I would be willing to watch a wmma super fight a few times a year, but never on a PPV main card.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:59 PM   #49 (permalink)
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@hadoq, you make it sound like we are scum and we MMA fans are the only one that thinks like this. But Male Sports always outperform thier Female Counterparts for a reason. The only one that really accepted are Women's World Cup Soccer and the WNBA, but even they cannot beat the Men's World Cup Soccer or the NBA. Im sorry but thats just the way it is, we can say this and that, but facts are facts. Womens MMA will be accepted eventually but it will never be on par with Male MMA, even if they both are in the UFC and Dana White pushes Womens MMA and Rousey to high hell. He is doing an admirable job though. Dana White managed to promote more pub for Rousey and Womens MMA by talking than Scott Coker ever could by promoting actual Women Bouts.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:26 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Sounds like Dana is looking for a vehicle for Ronda instead of caring that much about a women's division. I'm all for a women's division if it could work, but it can't rise and fall with one person.
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