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Old 10-24-2012, 10:28 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I didn't say I agreed with society, I just said that if you're running a business then you have to care about what society thinks, because that is your market. To use your Holocaust analogy, imagine if I tried to open a Jewish Deli in Nazi Germany. From a moral perspective, there is nothing wrong with that. But from a business perspective, my Deli would get shut down overnight. See the difference? I'm not talking about morality here, I'm talking about business.
I've seen this arugment a lot as well. The 'it's bad for business' argument.

Well time will tell on that front in the UFC.

But the Strikeforce events that have featured women's MMA haven't done significantly worse numbers than cards without women. In fact, I believe some of those cards were some of the highest rated cards in their history especially those with Gina and Ronda.

Sex sells.

Ronda and Gina are easily the biggest crossover stars in the history of the sport.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:48 PM   #52 (permalink)
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@hadoq, you make it sound like we are scum and we MMA fans are the only one that thinks like this. But Male Sports always outperform thier Female Counterparts for a reason. The only one that really accepted are Women's World Cup Soccer and the WNBA, but even they cannot beat the Men's World Cup Soccer or the NBA. Im sorry but thats just the way it is, we can say this and that, but facts are facts. Womens MMA will be accepted eventually but it will never be on par with Male MMA, even if they both are in the UFC and Dana White pushes Womens MMA and Rousey to high hell. He is doing an admirable job though. Dana White managed to promote more pub for Rousey and Womens MMA by talking than Scott Coker ever could by promoting actual Women Bouts.
Yea, not really sure how people come to the conclusion that if we don't care to watch much WMMA that we are some how new MMA fans or fans that are dumb and don't care about nothing but knockouts.

Do all of these people watch all other women's sports? Would they say we are all a bunch of close-minded idiots if we told them we don't watch the WNBA?

Never knew there would be such a backlash for not liking womens MMA?

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I've seen this arugment a lot as well. The 'it's bad for business' argument.

Well time will tell on that front in the UFC.

But the Strikeforce events that have featured women's MMA haven't done significantly worse numbers than cards without women. In fact, I believe some of those cards were some of the highest rated cards in their history especially those with Gina and Ronda.

Sex sells.

Ronda and Gina are easily the biggest crossover stars in the history of the sport.
The big women's fights have done decently. You had a man-woman taking roids for years and beating up smaller fighters. Take away her roids and will she be the same beast? You had Gina, who had skills. But ultimately wasn't a fighter and went into movies. She was stunningly beautiful and a solid fighter.....that is rare. Ronda is a Olympian in Judo and has some looks. Pretty unique situations. Try to promote 2 high level women's fighters like Tate and Kuafman and see how bad it does. And those are elite women's fighters.

Also what do you mean by crossover star? I assume exposure away from the sport? You could be right, Gina's movie and Ronda's crazy media attention and magazine covers every other day. But Rampage and Randy had movies. Chuck has been on all the talk shows and is basically a rock star he is pretty big outside of MMA. Brock Lesnar? A guy like Vitor is more known in Brazil for being married to a popular star, than Gina or Ronda is in the U.S. All of that doesn't really matter, I am just going off subject.

Also again to everyone who thinks non-WMMA guys are idiots and "alpha males" about it....seems like the whole brand of WMMA is being built on sex-appeal. Is that not right there men expressing their alpha male personalities, and sexist? Shouldn't the people who have such a problem with WMMA not getting credit it is due, have a problem with how it is being promoted?

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Old 10-24-2012, 11:06 PM   #53 (permalink)
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...Not surprised. Dana of course sees the $$$ potential. White said that the Rousey/Tate fight got him interested in women's MMA. Of course that statement came after Zuffa bought out Strikeforce. Like Dana didn't watch Carano vs.Cyborg? Yeah, ok...
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Yea, not really sure how people come to the conclusion that if we don't care to watch much WMMA that we are some how new MMA fans or fans that are dumb and don't care about nothing but knockouts.
Agreed. The 'you're not a real fan unless you like the thing I like' argument is pathetic.

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The big women's fights have done decently. You had a man-woman taking roids for years and beating up smaller fighters. Take away her roids and will she be the same beast?
They haven't done 'decently' Rousey-Kaufman had the highest ratings of any Strikeforce event this year.

If you were to take away a lot of guys in he UFC's steroids, we'd not only be seeing less impressive fighters, but probably even MORE injuries which is the real purpose of steroids, to speed recovery time and thus help heal/prevent injuries in training.
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Also what do you mean by crossover star? I assume exposure away from the sport? You could be right, Gina's movie and Ronda's crazy media attention and magazine covers every other day. But Rampage and Randy had movies. Chuck has been on all the talk shows and is basically a rock star he is pretty big outside of MMA. Brock Lesnar? A guy like Vitor is more known in Brazil for being married to a popular star, than Gina or Ronda is in the U.S. All of that doesn't really matter, I am just going off subject.
All fair points. Randy and Rampage were in The Expendables and The A Team which were both silly popcorn flicks. Gina's film Haywire actually got solid reviews and was directed my Steven Soderbergh, who is a legit director, he made Erin Brockovich, Traffic and Ocean's Eleven. Also Gina was in the Command and Conquer computer game.

Ronda was on the cover of the ESPN Body Issue which puts her in some pretty impressive company such as Manny Pacquaio and Serena Williams.

They are right up there with the biggest crossover stars other than Brock, who really is more famous for pro wrestling than MMA.

I would suggest the biggest crossover star is Sexyama who is enormous in Asia.

All in all, the backlash you are receiving is because you're downplaying the ratings drawing power of women's MMA's stars, which is just factually wrong. Rousey is the biggest star in Strikeforce right now and Gina was their biggest before that.

And you're downplaying the actual in-ring performance of these women which is just unfair. Rousey, Cyborg and Carano have consistently put on stellar matches over the last few years easily able to match the excitement level of mid-to-high level men's fights.

Just my two (hundred thousand) cents.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:44 PM   #55 (permalink)
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glad to see this thread get a little more civil, im tired right now but will handle the kids from the first few pages of this thread later.

no insults allowed on the forum, i dont care if their opinion differs from yours or not ...open your eyes not everyone is going to have the same stance on everything you do and just because they dont does not make them wrong or stupid ect.

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My views on the subject i see this as a great move for the UFC and have wanted it for a while just did not see it happening because there is not allot of female fighters. now that there are more out there and is only going to keep getting bigger i see this as a great move on the ufc's part.

I enjoy wmma just as much and sometimes more the Mmma for there is usually less knockouts and at you get to see more technique and skill then just brute strength
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TUF: Team Carano vs Team Rousey. 2013. Bank on it.

16 women locked in a house together for a few weeks knowing they have to physically fight each other soon? Could be the best season yet.

Imagine if their cycles sync up. It will be a freaking blood bath (pun intended).

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Question for you guys against womans mma

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how many of you have even watched more then one womans mma fight?
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TUF: Team Carano vs Team Rousey. 2013. Bank on it.

16 women locked in a house together for a few weeks knowing they have to physically fight each other soon? Could be the best season yet.

Imagine if their cycles sync up. It will be a freaking blood bath (pun intended).
"It's hard to cut weight when you are bloated!"

Seriously though, I would totally watch. Hell I watched the MT reality show that had Vera's wife on it. The only problem with wmma is the skill difference between fighters can be HUGE. But that happened with normal mma and time heals those issues. So in time it will do nothing but get even better.
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Not too excited about this.

I'd rather Zuffa buy up Invicta and put Rousey and Cyborg in there. Treat it as a sister promotion, like WEC back then. Only when the divisions become deep enough and there is enough talent then start to incorporate WMMA into the UFC.
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Women's MMA isn't good right now and won't ever be unless it is in the UFC. They just aren't going to attract the best female athletes if the exposure, pay, and opportunities are terrible.
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