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Old 10-26-2012, 05:20 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I'd take Rashad by unanimous decision.
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:46 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Five issues stand out here:

1. Has Rashad gotten over The Jones Thing - and for that matter, will he ever do so? (See Jens Pulver after BJ beat him, Ken Shamrock after Tito beat him, etc.).

2. Lil Nog is coming off a win, while Rashad is not only coming off a loss, but a potentially soul-stealing loss (see #1 above). Advantage Lil Nog - and BTW, only once in his entire pro MMA career has Rashad fought an opponent who was coming off a loss (when he fought Tito for the first time at UFC 73, as Tito had lost to Chuck at UFC 66 in his immediately prior fight). Betcha didn't know that!

3. Lil Nog outperformed Rashad against Tito, in consecutive fights for Tito (it's not as if the two fights were three years apart or anything like that) - and not just because he finished Tito faster: Did Lil Nog damn near get submitted by Tito?

4. Remember that when Shogun got injured, Dana White offered Rashad a fight vs. Lil Nog - and Rashad turned it down. Does this give Lil Nog "bulletin-board material" as they say in the NFL? I say it does.

5. Lil Nog has the advantage in camps. Don't take my word for that - ask Bigfoot, who left the Lackzilians (who are a combined 8-9 in the UFC, and not counting one specific fighter - Michael Johnson - they're 4-8) to join Team Nogueira, and commented that he was happy to be in a "real camp" again when he did! And remember that Bigfoot had been training with Rashad. What kind of inside info will he be able to pass on to Lil Nog?

Therefore, here is my concise prediction for this fight:

For the first two rounds, it will essentially be a carbon copy (showing my age, I know) of Rashad's fight vs. Thiago Silva at UFC 108; but then, in the third round, instead of merely rocking Rashad as Thiago did, Lil Nog will KO him.

Thus Lil Nog by KO, Round 3.
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:28 AM   #43 (permalink)
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1. Has Rashad gotten over The Jones Thing - and for that matter, will he ever do so? (See Jens Pulver after BJ beat him, Ken Shamrock after Tito beat him, etc.).

3. Lil Nog outperformed Rashad against Tito, in consecutive fights for Tito (it's not as if the two fights were three years apart or anything like that) - and not just because he finished Tito faster: Did Lil Nog damn near get submitted by Tito?

5. Lil Nog has the advantage in camps. Don't take my word for that - ask Bigfoot, who left the Lackzilians (who are a combined 8-9 in the UFC, and not counting one specific fighter - Michael Johnson - they're 4-8) to join Team Nogueira, and commented that he was happy to be in a "real camp" again when he did! And remember that Bigfoot had been training with Rashad. What kind of inside info will he be able to pass on to Lil Nog?
I really don't think these matter.

I'm sure his over it. He got brutally put down by Machida and lost his belt, i don't see how he couldn't come over this. He's a professional athlete.

Can't really take the outperforming as a sign. That's like using mma math.

The camps and their records won't change anything. Evans still has world class training partners and at the end, it's the fighter in the cage, not the camp.

Still taking Rashad by a decisive victory.
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:52 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Not at all interested in this fight, Rashad takes it pretty easily IMO. I was looking forward to Rashad moving down to middleweight when i heard the rumors a while back!
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:15 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Five issues stand out here:

1. Has Rashad gotten over The Jones Thing - and for that matter, will he ever do so? (See Jens Pulver after BJ beat him, Ken Shamrock after Tito beat him, etc.).

2. Lil Nog is coming off a win, while Rashad is not only coming off a loss, but a potentially soul-stealing loss (see #1 above). Advantage Lil Nog - and BTW, only once in his entire pro MMA career has Rashad fought an opponent who was coming off a loss (when he fought Tito for the first time at UFC 73, as Tito had lost to Chuck at UFC 66 in his immediately prior fight). Betcha didn't know that!

3. Lil Nog outperformed Rashad against Tito, in consecutive fights for Tito (it's not as if the two fights were three years apart or anything like that) - and not just because he finished Tito faster: Did Lil Nog damn near get submitted by Tito?

4. Remember that when Shogun got injured, Dana White offered Rashad a fight vs. Lil Nog - and Rashad turned it down. Does this give Lil Nog "bulletin-board material" as they say in the NFL? I say it does.

5. Lil Nog has the advantage in camps. Don't take my word for that - ask Bigfoot, who left the Lackzilians (who are a combined 8-9 in the UFC, and not counting one specific fighter - Michael Johnson - they're 4-8) to join Team Nogueira, and commented that he was happy to be in a "real camp" again when he did! And remember that Bigfoot had been training with Rashad. What kind of inside info will he be able to pass on to Lil Nog?

Therefore, here is my concise prediction for this fight:

For the first two rounds, it will essentially be a carbon copy (showing my age, I know) of Rashad's fight vs. Thiago Silva at UFC 108; but then, in the third round, instead of merely rocking Rashad as Thiago did, Lil Nog will KO him.

Thus Lil Nog by KO, Round 3.

Not being funny, but it sounds like you've sort of convinced yourself that Lil Nog has the advantage in this fight.

1 - As my man said above me, Rashad lost in far more brutal fashion to Machida. He not only lost to Machida but he also got finished soundly in the 2nd round. Oh, and he lost his UFC LHW title too. What happened after that? He came back to convincingly beat 4 top fighters.

2.Rashad, imo, won the first round vs Jones, but after those elbows in the 2nd round, he became gunshy. He just became reliant on trying to catch Jones with something big. Still, he wouldn't get finished and I believe a rematch would be even more competitive against Jones if Rashad remembered he was an explosive wrestler who can mix it up and not Sugar Ray Leonard. Definitely


3. The biggest LOL. You are really going to use that logic? Man, a majority of your posts are pretty well thought out, but simply suggesting that Lil Nog is going to beat Rashad all because he finished Tito quicker is the kind of post I would expect from John28485304534534 or whatever his screentag is.

Imo, Rashad's destruction of Tito was more entertaining and impressive because he was coming off a pretty big layoff and was fighting a confident and incredibly game Ortiz who came off a quick stoppage against Ryan Bader - who beat up Lil Nog for three rounds. Hey, that's just what Phil Davis did too! And who did Rashad fight before Jones? Philly D. Who he made look like an amateur for 5 rounds. MMA math, sucks, I know.

4. So Rashad specifically wanted to cash in on an ACTUAL title opportunity. I know nothing about the NFL, but I do know that a majority of fighters want to fight for the belt instead of a bloke who's only just within the top 10 bracket.

5. Doesn't matter how much info Bigfoot gives Lil Nog. Lil Nog's the one who's going to have to go in there and defend agains the speed, takedown, ground and pound of Rashad Evans. I think Rashad can stand with him too, actually. Blackhouse is a successful camp, I admit. But a successful camp doesn't make a fighter. Look at Leonard Garcia.

My prediction? Rashad throws Lil Nog around the octagon for 3 rounds in a clear cut decision. We may even get a 10-8 round in there if Rashad's really feeling hungry.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:20 AM   #46 (permalink)
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The Dark Knight I don't know who you are more obsessed with Rashad or me.

So you think that I think Rashad is going to lose this fight. Funny enough I think this fight is way to easy for Rashad. Nog 3-2 in the UFC, his wins all against fighters no longer in the UFC and one of those wasn't really a win. This isn't an exciting fight it has literally no title implications which for the number 2 LHW in the world is shameful and it's not going to be a draw.

See this a thing called objectivity, I don't need to act like a child because people don't agree with me on a fighter throw temper tantrums and piss and moan. Grow up and get over it.

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:24 AM   #47 (permalink)
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1 - As my man said above me, Rashad lost in far more brutal fashion to Machida. He not only lost to Machida but he also got finished soundly in the 2nd round. Oh, and he lost his UFC LHW title too. What happened after that? He came back to convincingly beat 4 top fighters.

The "brutality" of the loss is not the issue; the fact that the Jones fight was a grudge match is the issue; and besides the examples of Pulver and Shamrock that I cited, look at what has happened to Paul Daley ever since he lost his grudge match to Josh Koscheck by decision!

And give me a break - a 29-28 decision is "convincingly beating" someone? (Rashad's win over Thiago at UFC 108; and under the MFC's half-point system, this fight would have been a draw because Rashad would have been awarded both of the first two rounds 10-9.5 while Thiago would have won Round 3 10-9 for a 29-29 draw). And even against Rampage, one of the three judges had it 29-28. Plus he almost got submitted by Tito, and didn't finish Davis.


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2.Rashad, imo, won the first round vs Jones, but after those elbows in the 2nd round, he became gunshy. He just became reliant on trying to catch Jones with something big. Still, he wouldn't get finished and I believe a rematch would be even more competitive against Jones if Rashad remembered he was an explosive wrestler who can mix it up and not Sugar Ray Leonard. Definitely
Again, did you really read my original post? I was pointing out that Rashad is coming off a loss, while Lil Nog is coming off a win - and that is a conceptual advantage for Lil Nog. What you have posted above, though not necessarily inaccurate, is totally irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.


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3. The biggest LOL. You are really going to use that logic? Man, a majority of your posts are pretty well thought out, but simply suggesting that Lil Nog is going to beat Rashad all because he finished Tito quicker is the kind of post I would expect from John28485304534534 or whatever his screentag is.

Imo, Rashad's destruction of Tito was more entertaining and impressive because he was coming off a pretty big layoff and was fighting a confident and incredibly game Ortiz who came off a quick stoppage against Ryan Bader - who beat up Lil Nog for three rounds. Hey, that's just what Phil Davis did too! And who did Rashad fight before Jones? Philly D. Who he made look like an amateur for 5 rounds. MMA math, sucks, I know.
Again, there appears to be a lack of reading comprehension here. Lil Nog didn't outperform Rashad against Tito merely because he finished Tito sooner. What about the submission attempt that came within a whisker of ending the fight?

And you don't make any opponent "look like an amateur" if you don't finish him - and Rashad never even came close to finishing Davis.


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4. So Rashad specifically wanted to cash in on an ACTUAL title opportunity. I know nothing about the NFL, but I do know that a majority of fighters want to fight for the belt instead of a bloke who's only just within the top 10 bracket.
I don't know Lil Nog personally, so I can't say for sure whether he took this as a personal slight. But it is certainly possible.


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5. Doesn't matter how much info Bigfoot gives Lil Nog. Lil Nog's the one who's going to have to go in there and defend agains the speed, takedown, ground and pound of Rashad Evans. I think Rashad can stand with him too, actually. Blackhouse is a successful camp, I admit. But a successful camp doesn't make a fighter. Look at Leonard Garcia.
If won-lost records don't mean anything when evaluating how good a camp is, then what does mean anything?

Besides, there has been a lot of turnover when it comes to coaches at that camp: Mike van Arsdale - who followed Rashad from Jackson's - left, and so did Sergio Gasparelli (Babu). I believe Amaury Bitetti has left as well. Mario Sperry appears to be "in charge" now.

I'll stick by my prediction, and carry it a great deal further: Rashad is going to go on a long, long losing streak that will see him fighting on the same type of circuits as Jeremy Horn is now fighting on, within 18 months to two years.

The only way Rashad might be able to evade this fate is if he moves down to middleweight.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:31 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:33 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Great fight, if Nog wins we instantly have a new contender.

It's exactly the type of fight LHW needs, along with Rua vs Gustaf, Machida vs Hendo and Jackson vs Teixeira, we should get a fresh contender out of at least one of these fights.
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I think it is a shame Lil Nog is getting matched up with so many wrestlers. However I suppose if you can't beat them then you don't deserve to climb the ladder. Rashad will hopefully stand for a while with Rogerio which should make for some interesting exchanges since they both have good hands.

I suspect Rashad will secure enough takedowns in each round to secure the decision.
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