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Old 11-03-2012, 11:58 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Exactly. 'blah, blah, blah'

You're 'pointing out' to me that Vitor's sister got kidnapped while quoting a post where I mentioned it.

You're not even reading my posts, so what's the point?
There's a difference between pointing it out to you and pointing it out in general. There are other readers on this board. I don't see the harm in expanding upon your otherwise vague point.

There's really no point to this back and forth. You're content to claim that Vitor quit against men like Silva and Jones when that's a blatant fabrication. Any man with a set of working eyes knows that while Vitor lost in those fights, he hardly quit. That's not a matter for debate. You can go ahead and live in the past. I'll happily move forward and enjoy Vitor's KO victory over Bisping.
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:44 AM   #122 (permalink)
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There's a difference between pointing it out to you and pointing it out in general. There are other readers on this board. I don't see the harm in expanding upon your otherwise vague point.
Bro just admit it, you didn't read the whole post. You were too angry to even finish it. Just admit that at least.

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There's really no point to this back and forth. You're content to claim that Vitor quit against men like Silva and Jones when that's a blatant fabrication.
And I literally never said that. I said he hasn't really cared about MMA in the better part of a decade and Bisping will find a way to beat him (or Vitor will find a way to lose) simply because he's so much more driven than Vitor. Bisping is one of the most driven guys in the sport. I personally despise his personality, but I respect his drive to succeed.
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:22 AM   #123 (permalink)
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How can you say, 'I literally never said that'?

The crux of your entire argument is that Vitor 'crumbles in on himself' or 'gives up the second things get hard' - these are direct quotes. You then explicitly mentioned his fights with Couture, Henderson, Jones, Silva, etc. How can you sit there now and say that you've not said he quits against tougher opponents like Jones, Silva, etc. I think it is you who needs to go back and read your posts, because you're coming apart at the seams.

And I'm certain Bisping is driven. But that doesn't change the fact that he's coming up against a stronger fighter, a superior striker, and a man who will constantly look to submit Bisping, assuming Mike can actually use his mediocre wrestling to successfully take the fight to the ground. I read this same nonsense when Mike fought Henderson... that he was going to dance around the slow, older, and plodding fighter en route to a UD victory. And then I read that very same thing when Bisping came up against Wanderlei Silva. See a pattern?
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How can you say, 'I literally never said that'?

The crux of your entire argument is that Vitor 'crumbles in on himself' or 'gives up the second things get hard' - these are direct quotes. You then explicitly mentioned his fights with Couture, Henderson, Jones, Silva, etc. How can you sit there now and say that you've not said he quits against tougher opponents like Jones, Silva, etc. I think it is you who needs to go back and read your posts, because you're coming apart at the seams.
He got KTFO by Silva and beaten into the freaking ground by Jones. He didn't have time to quit in those fights, he was too busy getting obliterated.

But in his other losses, absolutely, he gave up.

But you took the two fights he didn't have time to quit in and pretended like that was my whole argument. Totally ignoring the other 8 losses where it applies.

The guy has 10 losses. Suggesting he's going to lose an 11th fight isn't really reaching imo...

At this point, I'm willing to just let it be. Honestly, I feel dumb even getting sucked into another one of these stupid arguments. People need to stop taking it personally when someone says something they don't particularly like about a fighter they support.

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Old 11-04-2012, 08:49 PM   #125 (permalink)
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I don't particularly care what your opinion is on any man or fighter. I only ask that what you have to say not be a load of non-sensical bollocks. lol, 'he didn't have time to quit'. I'm certain he could have tapped after eating a dozen elbows from Jon Jones in the first round. I know he could have quit before coming out for a second, third, and fourth round, pulling guard, and asking for more. Especially when Shogun tapped to a couple of strikes within the opening seconds of the first round.

But hey, you have a pleasant evening, sport.
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People need to stop taking it personally when someone says something they don't particularly like about a fighter they support.
If you get my English, I hope you start following this advise of yours asap, man.
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Anthony Johnson is a much better wrestler than Bisping, and he couldn't keep Vitor down to save his life. Bisping displays some decent wrestling against Brian Stann of all people, and now he's the new Chael Sonnen at MW? I mean, come on... Michael Bisping is going to ground and pound Vitor Belfort to a TKO stoppage? I don't even...
Agree with every word. And Johnson is not only a better wrestler, he's phisically a strong heavy monster to fight at 185.
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Bisping isn't going to "keep Vitor down" nor play with his guard in any way shape or form, he will look to posture up, maybe even stand up, push his legs to the side and lands punches ala Denis Kang.

This is the key to Bisping winning, i think standing for 3/5 rounds is too much of a risk, the chances of being KO'd are big i admit this. You guys can ******* hate Bisping all you want that shit is absolutely cool with me, but he is not a stupid fighter and i can't imagine Bisping would stand for any longer than he deems it necessary.

Bisping is not an elite college wrestler, but he is becoming an elite MMA wrestler; pretty ******* hard to keep off you after mixing his game up and even harder to get down.

I like that people are writing Bisping off, it's about time he was an underdog anyway, but for me this is an immensly close fight, maybe even as close to 50/50 as it gets.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:56 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Bisping isn't going to "keep Vitor down" nor play with his guard in any way shape or form, he will look to posture up, maybe even stand up, push his legs to the side and lands punches ala Denis Kang.

This is the key to Bisping winning, i think standing for 3/5 rounds is too much of a risk, the chances of being KO'd are big i admit this. You guys can ******* hate Bisping all you want that shit is absolutely cool with me, but he is not a stupid fighter and i can't imagine Bisping would stand for any longer than he deems it necessary.

Bisping is not an elite college wrestler, but he is becoming an elite MMA wrestler; pretty ******* hard to keep off you after mixing his game up and even harder to get down.

I like that people are writing Bisping off, it's about time he was an underdog anyway, but for me this is an immensly close fight, maybe even as close to 50/50 as it gets.
Relax, sport. No one is writing Bisping off entirely. Any fighter can win on any given night. I just find it questionable that you're putting so much faith in his wrestling ability. First things first, Bisping is not becoming an 'elite' MMA wrestler. He's still very much a novice. Outwrestling Brian Stann is not a credential, especially when 90% of this board slams Stann's atrocious TDD. I admire Bisping's wanting to better his game, and I'll admit that his wrestling has indeed gotten much better. But he is far from elite. I'd call him a work in progress.

Secondly, you're forgetting just how strong Vitor Belfort is. Here's a big, strong MW who bucked off and withstood essentially a HW's wrestling in Anthony Johnson. And Anthony Johnson is a pretty damn good wrestler to begin with. I just find it funny that despite that, some believe that Bisping is going to come in and wallop Vitor with wrestling and ground and pound. I'd be willing to bet that Belfort doesn't get taken down once.

And lol... right... it's about time Bisping was the underdog. Lord knows that's never happened before.
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Relax, sport. No one is writing Bisping off entirely. Any fighter can win on any given night. I just find it questionable that you're putting so much faith in his wrestling ability. First things first, Bisping is not becoming an 'elite' MMA wrestler. He's still very much a novice. Outwrestling Brian Stann is not a credential, especially when 90% of this board slams Stann's atrocious TDD. I admire Bisping's wanting to better his game, and I'll admit that his wrestling has indeed gotten much better. But he is far from elite. I'd call him a work in progress.

Secondly, you're forgetting just how strong Vitor Belfort is. Here's a big, strong MW who bucked off and withstood essentially a HW's wrestling in Anthony Johnson. And Anthony Johnson is a pretty damn good wrestler to begin with. I just find it funny that despite that, some believe that Bisping is going to come in and wallop Vitor with wrestling and ground and pound. I'd be willing to bet that Belfort doesn't get taken down once.

And lol... right... it's about time Bisping was the underdog. Lord knows that's never happened before.
I'm chill, son. I don't really think it matters that Vitor was or is able to buck Anthony Johnson off him, I don't at all expect Bisping to play that type of game.

Belfort will weight, what? 200lbs on fight night? He can flex all he wants that's all Bisping has to lift up and dump on it's arse.

Sig or Credit bets are for ***s (jokes), so i'm not looking to bet with you, but Bisping will get him down.
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