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Old 10-27-2012, 06:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I do wish the fight had lasted longer than it did. It ended embarrassingly fast and made Brock look like an amateur. I still feel that Brock is capable of performing much better but think that the man doubts himself and chose to walk away.
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Disagree. Overeem did to Lesnar what Lesnar is only able to do to his opponents due to his size advantage, he bullied him. Lesnar could do nothing against an opponent who is physically as strong as he is (unlike Dos Santos, Velasquez, Silva, Edgar etc. who are able to win against physically stronger opponents with their technique) and got just pushed around in the cage, ate some knees and then got shut down with a kick to the body. So without his raw power advantage Lesnar has not much to offer at elite level MMA. Not reacting well to get hit in the face doesn't help him either.
Disagree, once he got diverticulitis he was never the same. He fought like Tito Ortiz used to, and just like Tito once he got injured his intensity was taken from him. I think Brock beat himself before he ever got in the cage with Overeem, how quickly he retired after the fight just proves he wasn't in it. The Brock that fought Heath Herring would have put up a fight. He did have skill and technique called world class wrestling.
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Lesnars loss to Overeem was bad....real bad. I sympathise that his disease left him never to be the same again in MMA. But it also illustrated an emabaressingly poor level of standup from Brock, he knew he only had the takedown as his saving grace, but he never even got close to impimenting that gameplan.

That loss was VERY bad for Lesnar.
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Confidence also has a huge part in fighting, Brock was fearless and felt unbeatable before the Carwin fight, when he lost that the fear consumed him when ever someone showed aggression.
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I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist nut and I personally don't think Brock had any disease.

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I think Brock realised that he didn't have that burning passion for the sport like the other contenders did and came to the realisation that he didn't have what it took to compete at the most elite level.

How ever, how could the ultimate alpha male bad ass disappear from the MMA spectrum without looking like.....well a bit of a wuss and ruining his intimidating reputation.

A disease. A disease which is supposed to massively hinder Brocks performance. A disease that's so bad it stopped him from competing in MMA, but didn't hinder his ability to fly from top ropes and turn buckles in a WWE wrestling ring.
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It's obvious Lesnar was never the same after battling through diverticulitis two times. Before he went through all that, he never second guessed himself, or was scared to get hit. For whatever reason having his life change like that, and the possibility of never being the same, it really messed him up mentally for the fighting game.

You can definitely tell he was more timid in the striking exchanges after the surgery.
He was more timid because he wasn't fighting a smaller older man in Randy Couture anymore. He was fighting hard hitting HW's. Frank Mir hit Lesnar a couple of times in their rematch. He reacted poorly there as well.
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These idiotic threads have to stop. Lesnar's loss to Overeem was a complete and total failure, worse than the loss to Cain. He was shut down from the opening bell. Brock spent most of the fight backpedaling in fear of Reem, and when he got hit you could see the panic in his eyes and body language. It was an embarrassing soul-destroying loss and his immediate retirement is proof of that.

Of course his illness did cause a massive decline in his ability but I think he would have been shut down regardless of his illness or not due to his inability to take punishment. If Brock would have gone straight from college into MMA I truly believe he could have been one of the greatest heavyweights to ever compete.

Instead he's just going to be remembered as the brightest candle that fizzled out quickly.
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Disagree, once he got diverticulitis he was never the same. He fought like Tito Ortiz used to, and just like Tito once he got injured his intensity was taken from him. I think Brock beat himself before he ever got in the cage with Overeem, how quickly he retired after the fight just proves he wasn't in it. The Brock that fought Heath Herring would have put up a fight. He did have skill and technique called world class wrestling.
I don't disagree that the diverticulitis may have had a considerable negative effect on him, but that's not the only reason he couldn't hang at the top. Even if he had world class wrestling, he still would be one dimensional. But I wouldn't even say that he had world class wrestling when he did MMA. He was a great college wrestler, but that was 7 years prior to his MMA career. In that time span you lose a lot of you skills if you don't practice. He should have gone to MMA right after college. In the early 2000s he could have been a force in the UFC, but seven years of scripted acrobatics didn't help too much for his technical fighting skills.
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Ok, as a kickboxer I can honestly say the loss wasn't that bad. Honestly I don't find it reasonable to expect Lesnar to be able to strike with Overeem. Overeem's kick was text-book. The angle he uses on that kick is exactly what you use to slip past defenses and still land with power. I don't think anyone could have endured getting kicked that hard.
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Disagree. Overeem did to Lesnar what Lesnar is only able to do to his opponents due to his size advantage, he bullied him. Lesnar could do nothing against an opponent who is physically as strong as he is (unlike Dos Santos, Velasquez, Silva, Edgar etc. who are able to win against physically stronger opponents with their technique) and got just pushed around in the cage, ate some knees and then got shut down with a kick to the body. So without his raw power advantage Lesnar has not much to offer at elite level MMA. Not reacting well to get hit in the face doesn't help him either.
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