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Old 10-28-2012, 05:31 PM   #121 (permalink)
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This needs closing, it's just opinion followed by shutdown and/or insult for 12 pages.
I think most of us are just having fun. No one's opinion on hunting pro or con is being changed by a thread on the internet.

People who hate hunters should just go on a hunt and see what it's actually like. And people who hate hippies should go to burning man and get laid.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:36 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Even though this thread kinda swayed away from the original topic, I'll admit I am interested in it. Plus people are debating respectfully, something I never see on forums these days. I'll gladly continue to enjoy this debate if it stays open
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I had a construction project in the philippines where its custom to put pigs blood on the site for good luck and also fatten up a pig on the site and kill it at the end of the project and eat it. I was up in the building one day and I start hearing this horrible screaming from the pig because the workers were killing it to eat that night. Blood letting which takes quite a while all the time the pig screaming wildy. I had to get as far away from the site as possible and I didnt eat any bacon for a few months. The point is when that shit happens right in front of you your visual and hearing senses pic it up and it has a much greater effect on you
Nobody likes to hear an animal scream or wail but to have to run away and swear off bacon for months??? You should go full vegan. Seriously, you don't deserve meat.

You'd rather buy your meat from the market but you're just as guilty as the guy killing those animals. Just like the drone operator in your analogy, you have blood on your hands like it or not. And for you to bitch about hunters killing animals, is pure hypocrisy.

Rather than eat meat from an animal that has lived a free and completely natural life in the wild, you'd rather eat an animal that lived it's short miserable life in a cage, walking around in its own feces, eating genetically engineered food filled with hormones and vaccines. Because God forbid you should have to see some blood.
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No I havent hunted but I have shot weapons, and while I think there maybe plenty of skill in tracking a deer and being quiet enough to sneak up on it and get your shot off is not easy. However we are talking about open african plains where hunters drive around in jeeps. Your going to tell me that takes a high skill level with such a big target and guides finding them for you? I don't have to be a hunter to form an opinion on that
Why have knowledge of something when you can imagine it based off of no information what so ever?

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And dogs do get killed during hunting there has been plenty of incidents if you look online, in fact a case has been filed about it as you can see here.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/new...hunting-wolves

I read also the average hunting dog dies between 5-7 years of age, they are trained with shock collars
Hounds are used for tracking prey with often the hunter far behind on his GPS. Your saying that when the hounds corner the animal, the just stand there and wait for the hunter to come? They don't attack the prey and the prey (bear, wolf etc) doesn't attack the dogs?

Seems highly unlikely to me
I didn't say it never happened but more dogs are killed crossing roads than they are in hunts. Are drivers now immoral? Also that article covers people using dogs to hunt wolves that are attacking and killing livestock.

Let's see... most hunting dog breeds only live 5-7 years so that would explain their utterly inhumane life span. Shock collars aren't set to cause pain - only a physical jolt. The hounds are indeed trained to corner the prey and that's it. Occasionally an animal does attack the dogs but most are content to try and get away from them.

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Can you imagine deadman getting chased down for 10 miles with a bunch of people and dogs hunting to kill you? Can you imagine the trauma that presents for an animal and what a horrible experience that is for them? Would you do that to your dog?

I dont need experience in being cruel to and killing animals for my argument to have a basis.
I could but it's not the same for an animal because it's a god damned animal. As much as you would like to think animals have a full range of emotions and experience things the way we do - they do not. At all. From prey to pet they do not.

Your whole argument is based off of nothing. You have no knowledge of what you speak and claim with a straight face that you don't need knowledge to know it's wrong. Bull shit. That is ignorance in its finest form. Admitting that you know nothing and proclaiming yourself happy to be so uneducated.

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I think most of us are just having fun. No one's opinion on hunting pro or con is being changed by a thread on the internet.

People who hate hunters should just go on a hunt and see what it's actually like. And people who hate hippies should go to burning man and get laid.
I think a large number of people are just getting disgusted. I agree with the going hunting thing though but how is going to Burning Man going to make someone stop hating hippies? It's one of my main arguments for why hippies should be exterminated*!

*Or at least moved to Canada
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[quote=deadmanshand;1642505]Why have knowledge of something when you can imagine it based off of no information what so ever?

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I didn't say it never happened but more dogs are killed crossing roads than they are in hunts. Are drivers now immoral? Also that article covers people using dogs to hunt wolves that are attacking and killing livestock.

Let's see... most hunting dog breeds only live 5-7 years so that would explain their utterly inhumane life span. Shock collars aren't set to cause pain - only a physical jolt. The hounds are indeed trained to corner the prey and that's it. Occasionally an animal does attack the dogs but most are content to try and get away from them.



I could but it's not the same for an animal because it's a god damned animal. As much as you would like to think animals have a full range of emotions and experience things the way we do - they do not. At all. From prey to pet they do not.

Its a goddamned animal basically sums up your frame of mind on animal cruelty. If your telling me animals dont experience emotions like fear, sadness and happiness I'm afraid your arguments are mute

Your whole argument is based off of nothing. You have no knowledge of what you speak and claim with a straight face that you don't need knowledge to know it's wrong. Bull shit. That is ignorance in its finest form. Admitting that you know nothing and proclaiming yourself happy to be so uneducated.

because hunting is rocket science? Do I need a degree in something to be able to understand your wonderful pastime of shooting animals and how it brings fathers and sons together. Give me a break man, ignorance to what exactly? That wonderful feeling of when your son gets his first kill and see the life go out of the deers eyes? The unbound joy of finding the wounded animals after its being caught in your trap? That last moment when you shoot it through the head to put it out of its misery? Oh sorry it doesnt experience emotion, so doesnt really matter if it cant walk and has a foreign enemy about to blow its brains out.
The ignorant one here im afraid is you
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Nobody likes to hear an animal scream or wail but to have to run away and swear off bacon for months??? You should go full vegan. Seriously, you don't deserve meat.

You'd rather buy your meat from the market but you're just as guilty as the guy killing those animals. Just like the drone operator in your analogy, you have blood on your hands like it or not. And for you to bitch about hunters killing animals, is pure hypocrisy.

Rather than eat meat from an animal that has lived a free and completely natural life in the wild, you'd rather eat an animal that lived it's short miserable life in a cage, walking around in its own feces, eating genetically engineered food filled with hormones and vaccines. Because God forbid you should have to see some blood.
Your happy to be around an animal screaming wildly for 15-20 minutes?
I don't deserve meat because Im not happy to be around that? Bit of a twisted form of logic if you ask me.
My argument is simple, if animals need to be killed for food so be it, its the food chain as nature intended it as far as Im concerned. However as I have stated many times already i dont agree with killing animals just for sport and pleasure which is what I see happening in this hughes instance. He paid money to fly to africa to kill animals and bond with his son while killing animals. Large animals on open plains.
He wasnt going out of his cabin to score dinner for the family, he wasn't clearing up vermin or doing anyone a favour.
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Smh at the whole conversation. Some people are against drinking, some people are against eating meeat all together. You are against hunting? Alright, whatever. But you do things people feel strongly against aswell, so you can sit back and judge people or you can leave them to it.
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The vast majority of animals if not all of them kill other creatures, normally in very bloody, horrific ways and our ape cousins tend to kill and eat things that are still alive.

Our hunting is far more "humane" than any other animal's hunting, and since hunters eat/use the dead animal for resources/food, what is the problem? That people have fun doing it? That's called human nature.
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One big issue there, Don. I don't hunt. I don't like guns. I have hunted before. It was an experience but not one I care to repeat. I can judge it without condemning or condoning.

Animals don't experience those emotions in anyway you would understand. This is science here. Plenty of studies into the emotional capabilities of animals. You are literally, scientifically wrong.

You are just gut reacting to something you have no knowledge of and are resorting to insulting and condemning people with an opposing view.

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He wasnt going out of his cabin to score dinner for the family, he wasn't clearing up vermin or doing anyone a favour.
Except for those poor people he gave the meat to but let's not complicate this with "knowledge".
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If your telling me animals dont experience emotions like fear, sadness and happiness
I don't think he's denying that. But using an example of a group of humans chasing another human as I believe you used earlier, is no where near the same scale of emotions, fear, and such as that of an animal.

And even I don't enjoy hunting animals at all and consider myself a major animal lover.
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