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Old 10-29-2012, 02:48 PM   #151 (permalink)
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I listened to the broadcast and the part where he mentions the law and the bible was prompted by a question by Ariel that has no mention of Christian values or criticisms.
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Old 10-29-2012, 04:04 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Numerous modern scholars believe that the first five books of the Bible, the section aptly named "Pentateuch," were written at some point during the 15th century B.C.E. Though the authorship of the books is disputed, some believe there was a single author whilst others defend the idea of multiple authors, the conceptualized timeline for the scripting of these foundational books, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, is widely accepted by numerous groups.

It is believed that Moses wrote at least some of the book of Exodus, and the Exodus took place around 1446 B.C.E so it can rightly be inferred that at least some, if not all, of the Pentateuch was written during this time. The authorship of the complete first five books of the Bible, however, complicates the conception of time in regard to their creation. Scholars have debated the number of authors for numerous years, and these scholars have come to a somewhat generalized agreement that the Pentateuch was authored by four varying authors. This means that the Pentateuch was written at four different points in time. Regardless, most schoalrs are still obliged to agree that the Old Testament first began taking shape roughly around the time of the Jewish exodus from Egypt, 1446 B.C.E.

My bad. Shit that thing is old.
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If it was written in the 15th century BCE the Bible is only about 3500 years old. The original statement wasn't that far off.
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I listened to the broadcast and the part where he mentions the law and the bible was prompted by a question by Ariel that has no mention of Christian values or criticisms.
I did see people in forums and media article comments arguing that the Bible doesn't necessarily condone hunting for the simple thrill of killing the animal. I'm sure he also got a dose of these on his twitter and blog.

But I think he mainly brought it up because he is a christian (at least by his own reckoning) and for him it is important to state the principles he lives by and justify his actions with them. Of course he is using his own interpretation of the bible and it is a lengthy, diverse document with many translations and metaphorical, parable-laden language that can be used to support practically any philosophy so to me that's like saying he lives by The Game of Thrones' series laws. Actually its even sillier because the bible was written by a bunch of different authors that frequently contradicted each other. Hell, the old testament is like a whole different version of god, before he decided to go PG-13.
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Hell, the old testament is like a whole different version of god, before he decided to go PG-13.
Hey... he had to give up his wild ways after he had the kid.
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If it was written in the 15th century BCE the Bible is only about 3500 years old. The original statement wasn't that far off.
The old testimate is written BC. The New Testiment was put together not that long after Jesus died.
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The old testimate is written BC. The New Testiment was put together not that long after Jesus died.
And? The Bible part 1 is 3500 years old and the Bible part 2 is 2000 years old.
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The old testimate is written BC. The New Testiment was put together not that long after Jesus died.
They are both "the bible". You cannot have the new testament without the old testament, the stories entwine and are combined, the new testament got the 10 commandments from the old testament, stories that start in the old testament finish off in the new one, they are combined as one.
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The point, of course, that we are getting away from is that due to it being that old, the 'the bible says it's OK' argument is just moronic.

While at the same time the 'yeah but the Bible says slavery is OK' argument is just as flawed because they both ignore the fact that the Bible doesn't really have any authority today because we live in an utterly different world than we did then, but also that things being in the Bible which we don't agree with cannot be used to attack Christians because they were typically things which were accepted by all cultures and religions of the period.

It's funny also to see that desert-dwelling religions all practice circumcision (no water for a bath) the wearing of beards (no water for a shave) and the limiting or prohibition of alcohol (no water to replace the water you lose drinking alcohol). Jews and Muslims will defend these 'religious' beliefs which are actually just survival tactics for living in the desert

At the end of the day, the central teachings of the Bible are all pretty solid rules for living a good life: don't bang your neighbor's wife, don't kill people, don't steal shit. And this is from a former preachy annoying atheist who now is just a quiet condescending atheist.

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The point, of course, that we are getting away from is that due to it being that old, the 'the bible says it's OK argument is just moronic'.

While at the same time the 'yeah but the Bible says slavery is OK' argument is just as flawed because they both ignore the fact that the Bible doesn't really have any authority today because we live in an utterly different world than we did then, but also that things being in the Bible which we don't agree with cannot be used to attack Christians because they were typically things which were accepted by all cultures and religions of the period.

It's funny also to see that desert-dwelling religions all practice circumcision (no water for a bath) the wearing of beards (no water for a shave) and the limiting or prohibition of alcohol (no water to replace the water you lose drinking alcohol). Jews and Muslims will defend these 'religious' beliefs which are actually just survival tactics for living in the desert

At the end of the day, the central teachings of the Bible are all pretty solid rules for living a good life: don't bang your neighbor's wife, don't kill people, don't steal shit. And this is from a former preachy annoying atheist who now is just a quiet condescending atheist.
It can be used against Christian morality in a debate on religion (this thread or post isn't, just saying) because they claim to get their morals from a book that condones slavery, ****, and the beating of women and murder of gay people, which is highly immoral, thus their source of morality in and of itself is highly immoral.

Also, the "central teachings" cross over many volumes riddled with murder, ****, slavery, stoning your children to death, and quite a few other horrific things. The Christian novels are some of the very worst moral codes a human being can go by, including eternal torture and suffering for people who commit finite crimes, which is also highly immoral.
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