There is a difference between being overrated and being talented. Saying Vera has no talent is stupid. As far as your opinion, I was obviously referring to your opinion of Vera. I am well aware of Drew Fickett and agree that he has taken an unfortunate slide in his life/career.
Vera had talent as a mid-level UFC fighter...which is pretty evident.
There isn't anything to suggest he underachieved in any shape or form.
We never heard anything about bad work ethic, he didn't show up out of shape, he didn't have problems with drugs and alcohol...he was just a 8-0 dude that beat a few low level dudes then got exposed for being an average long dude with decent Muay Thai and bad defensive wrestling.
This topic is about underachievers.
Joe Stevenson immediately sprung to mind. Great BJJ, geart Wrestling, decent standup. He was a beast then just hit a wall it seemed (not just one name BJ Penn...another waste of talent). Joe went on an insane losing streak to guys we would have destroyed a year before.
He peaked like any other fighter.
He also started fighting when he was 17 or so, so his prime was a lot shorter.
Again...not a waste or an underachiever, he's just shot, his body broke down after 13+ years in the sport.
Frank Mir a couple reasons first the motorcycle accident he probably could have held the belt for a while back in the day when the HW division was thin.
As of lately I remember watching a show before one of his fights or something and seeing his camps and training and he brings his family to his training camps and seems like he just kind of does what he wants he also has his dad do a lot of the cornering and calling strategies. I think even nowadays if he went to say a greg jacksons or aka or something like the he could do a lot better i believe.
I think the only person who has worse camps than Mir is Roy Nelson....who actually...goes pretty well with this topic.
Dude was literally training in his living room while fighting guys like Andrei Arlovski and Ben Rothwell. Just unfathomable.
Mir seems to be a guy who spends more time rolling on the mat than actually training MMA.
And the motorcycle accident probably robbed him a few spots on the All time HW list.