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Old 10-29-2012, 04:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I hate to say anyone is a worse matchup than Anderson is, because he could just go out there and KO anyone like it is nothing and I'd feel stupid for doubting him.

But I will always go with the wrestler when it is close. Wrestling is the easiest way to win fights. Corimer may be the only guy at 205 that Jones couldn't ragdoll. And Cormier himself may be able to take down Jones if he gets past the reach. Jones may end up using reach and picking Cormier apart. But Cormier ain't just an average competitor. If he was getting owned from distance he would bum rush Jones so hard and get him down.

I'll take the Olympian wrestler who looks to still have nice athletic ability. I think Cormier has a solid chance at beating Jones if he can make 205 no problem.
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Old 10-29-2012, 04:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Cormier hands down, bigger stronger wrestlers historically have no problem getting smaller skinny guys on the mat. Cormier could even get on top, Anderson's getting taken down in the first minute.
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Cain Velasquez and Anderson Silva are Jonny boys toughest opponents out there right now.
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Cain Velasquez and Anderson Silva are Jonny boys toughest opponents out there right now.
Cain is? But Cormier isn't?

I think Cormier would beat Cain if they fought. But that wouldn't ever happen. Would be a hell of a fight though.
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Cain is? But Cormier isn't?

I think Cormier would beat Cain if they fought. But that wouldn't ever happen. Would be a hell of a fight though.
I disagree. I think Cain is the better fighter and the better MMA wrestler.

That's not to say that Cormier isn't elite, he's a monster, I just think that Velasquez is better.
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I disagree. I think Cain is the better fighter and the better MMA wrestler.

That's not to say that Cormier isn't elite, he's a monster, I just think that Velasquez is better.
Perhaps. But I don't think there is anything that would lead me to believe he is the better MMA wrestler. Cormier has taken anyone he has wanted to take down with quite ease. He threw Barnett around like I never have seen before...with a broken hand. Olympian Wrestlers are just in a whole different world. Look at Chael at age what? 35? He was never the best college wrestler...but he was an Olympic alternate. And was considered the best wrestler at MW, with guys like Munoz and Weidman in there. Cormier is Cain's wrestling coach for a reason..

I'm more interested in Cormier's cardio at a lower weight. He says he could make 205 no problem, but cutting weight was basically what contributed to his illness. Surprised he would want to test those waters.

Cormier has that elite competitor calmness about him. Because he has been in so many high pressure huge matches in his life he is so used to it. He was so composed vs. guys like Bigfoot and Barnett standing when they have had years of experience on him. I have been real impressed with his striking. He needs to learn how to not break his hand however.
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Lol @ Cormier...

Who has he beaten? Bigfoot, Barnett...

At HW to boot.

Cormier wouldn't even be Jones' toughest fight to date...

Silva imo would beat Jones. We have seen other fighters show some weakness in Jones' wonky striking and Silva would take advantage of that and make him pay. Silva also has a great guard for defending himself and has good submissions as well. Also as we have seen in his last couple fights his takedown defense seems to be improving as well.
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Perhaps. But I don't think there is anything that would lead me to believe he is the better MMA wrestler. Cormier has taken anyone he has wanted to take down with quite ease. He threw Barnett around like I never have seen before...with a broken hand. Olympian Wrestlers are just in a whole different world. Look at Chael at age what? 35? He was never the best college wrestler...but he was an Olympic alternate. And was considered the best wrestler at MW, with guys like Munoz and Weidman in there. Cormier is Cain's wrestling coach for a reason..

I'm more interested in Cormier's cardio at a lower weight. He says he could make 205 no problem, but cutting weight was basically what contributed to his illness. Surprised he would want to test those waters.

Cormier has that elite competitor calmness about him. Because he has been in so many high pressure huge matches in his life he is so used to it. He was so composed vs. guys like Bigfoot and Barnett standing when they have had years of experience on him. I have been real impressed with his striking. He needs to learn how to not break his hand however.
Just from what I have seen on the ground from both fighters leads me to believe that Cain has the better wrestling tailored for MMA. Again, not a knock on Cormier's wrestling ability, he's obviously one of the absolute best in the division.

Cains transitioning on the ground I feel is quite a bit better than DC's though and his ground and pound is just ruthless.

From the way Cormier always talks up Cains ability in training camps leads me to suspect that Velasquez probably gets the better of the two during sparring and training. In fact, I think that's probably a big reason as to why Cormier seems so interested in cutting down to 205lbs to challenge Jones.

I also think Jones would get the better of Cormier when it comes to the wrestling in an MMA scenario, but would put up a hell of a fight. Honestly, all three fights (Cormier, Cain, Anderson) are very intriguing, I'd like to see them all.
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Dana already said that they want to set up a fight with Jones at HW so I see Jones vs Cormier being more realistic than Anderson/Jones as Anderson said he is staying at MW and not fighting at 205 anymore.

After Jones beats Sonnen there's still Glover/Rampage, Rua/Gustafson and Hendo/Machida. 3 more opponents for Jones to face at LHW. I hope they can squeeze in a HW fight in 2013.

*EDIT* I am out of the loop, looks like Cormier wants to come down to 205 and challenge Jones. So 4 more big opponents for Jones at LHW.
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