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10-30-2012, 09:00 PM
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#41 (permalink)
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Welterweight
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If he beats Aldo he's #1
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10-30-2012, 10:02 PM
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#42 (permalink)
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Lightweight
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Originally Posted by John8204
Those guys start off at camp at around 185/190 they then get down to about 175 through I guess fat burning and then they cut the rest as water weight. All three of which (Tibau, Maynard, and Henderson) have their weight cuts down to a science.
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Yes, they lose fat during their camp, but that's weight which doesn't come back after the weigh in until the fight. So that fat they once had doesn't give them any weight advantage. It's only the water cut where they can put some of the weight back, but as I said that's not even close to the 50lbs you've claimed. |
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10-30-2012, 10:36 PM
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#43 (permalink)
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Bantamweight
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personal p4p list
Silva
GSP
JBJ
Frankie
Aldo
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10-31-2012, 12:21 AM
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#44 (permalink)
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Featherweight
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Originally Posted by Hiro
Exactly what I was getting at. So when people start dismissing GSP because he hasn't fought above WW I'm sat here lik wtf?
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Started really well here.
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Originally Posted by Hiro
While Anderson finishes more, GSP has barely lost a round since the first Serra fight. That's far more relevant to the conversation than Anderson going up to 205 and beating a couple of low to mid level light heavyweights.
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Crashed and burned here.
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10-31-2012, 12:28 AM
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As I posted before, Edgar is a runner. He is aways running around. Rarely finishes anything and allow decisions that would be discussed forever. He does not belong to any conversation involving P4P matter, as theoretical we all know it is. He does not belong to that league.
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10-31-2012, 02:14 PM
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Gracie Hunter
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P4P has nothing to do with moving up or down in weight classes and fighting there.
The real meaning of P4P is who would win if you take away the weight difference between fighters and set them against eachother.
So take Frankie vs Anderson, both at 170lbs. Then yeah, I could see Frankie being victorious, thus ranked above Anderson Silva.
Bones vs Anderson at 170lbs, I'd pick Anderson.
GSP vs Frankie, Id pick GSP. So for me, GSP is the #1 P4P fighter out there. Atleast until I see how that ACL is doing
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10-31-2012, 05:04 PM
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Featherweight
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Originally Posted by Vale_Tudo
P4P has nothing to do with moving up or down in weight classes and fighting there.
The real meaning of P4P is who would win if you take away the weight difference between fighters and set them against eachother.
So take Frankie vs Anderson, both at 170lbs. Then yeah, I could see Frankie being victorious, thus ranked above Anderson Silva.
Bones vs Anderson at 170lbs, I'd pick Anderson.
GSP vs Frankie, Id pick GSP. So for me, GSP is the #1 P4P fighter out there. Atleast until I see how that ACL is doing
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All this logic, although very possible, lies in your mind.
Personally, I think someone ranking GSP above Anderson before they actually fought is a mistery. All we have now is their records and the way they conquered their records, so...
Anderson finished 78% of his fights, GSP, 69%.
Anderson never lost a fight in UFC, GSP, yes, knocked out. Anderson never been knocked out.
Anderson has the record of consecutive wins/title defenses in UFC.
Anderson style is unpredictable, making his opponents confused, thus it´s more exciting to watch. GSP, although efficient, is a burocrat.
To rule out GSP just because he never moved from his weigh class is as wrong and silly as taking out any credit from Anderson going up in weight to test himself against heavier dudes at LHW.
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Pound for pound is a term used in combat sports such as boxing[1] or mixed martial arts[2] to describe a fighter's value in relation to fighters of different weight classes. As these fighters do not compete directly judging the best fighter pound for pound is subjective and ratings vary. They may be based on a range of criteria including "quality of opposition", factors such as how exciting the fighter is or how famous they are, or be an attempt to determine who would win if all those ranked were the same size. In boxing, the term was historically associated with fighters such as Benny Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson who were widely considered to be the most skilled fighters of their day, to distinguish them from the generally more popular (and better compensated) heavyweight champions.[3] Since 1990, The Ring magazine has maintained a pound for pound rank of fighters.[3] ESPN.com has a list for mixed martial artists.[4] Anderson Silva and Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao are examples of pound-for-pound top-ranked fighters.
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10-31-2012, 06:00 PM
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MMA Fanatic
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Edgar can be argued as being top 5 P4P.. but to say he's the number 1 p4p??? You can't put anyone ahead of Silva. Edgar lost his belt to Henderson, his face was tore up from the floor up. Bias aside and keep it real players..
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10-31-2012, 06:40 PM
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Featherweight
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According to this thread, GSP must have "The Wrong Opinion".  |
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10-31-2012, 07:15 PM
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Super Heavyweight
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Originally Posted by John8204
Because his top competition(Henderson, Maynard, Tibau) weighs in at almost 50lbs heavier than him. He fights and wins where he's 2/3rds the size of his opponents. GSP respects that, I don't know why so few on this forum do.
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Those guys are no where near 50 lbs heavier than Frankie on fight night.
Say Frankie doesn't drop a single pound to make 155 (which I doubt...I bet he drops a couple) Maynard and those guys are about 175 I would say the day after weigh ins. So lets not say it is 50lbs. It is less than half that.
I understand the premise of Frankie being #1. But it really doesn't matter what he weighs. He technically lost his last 2 fights. Either way they were razor close. How can that make you #1? Machida fights basically as a 205er and Jones is 225. So because he gave him a good opening round should Machida be ranked high because he could really be at 185 if he wanted too?
If Frankie beats Aldo then we can talk. He may do worse at 145 against Aldo than he ever did at 155. Then everyone's arguments are out the window. |
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