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post #11 of 33 (permalink) Old 10-31-2012, 04:21 PM
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Does anyone think Carlos has the chops to nab a sub on GSP off his back? He has a very active and threatening guard, but all the predictions I see in his favor seem to reckon he'll put Rush out with his hands or a knee.
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I think people are predicting too early that this will be the same old GSP. He's coming in from a long injury and, even though he is a very smart and dedicated fighter, he may be rusty. I think the GSP we are used to beats Condit handily, but a rusty GSP may not look so great especially in the later rounds.
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Does anyone think Carlos has the chops to nab a sub on GSP off his back? He has a very active and threatening guard, but all the predictions I see in his favor seem to reckon he'll put Rush out with his hands or a knee.
I totally think Condit can sub GSP off his back. I think the main decider in if that happens or not will be GSP. If he follows the Shields gameplan and keeps it standing then we won't have a chance to see, but if Condit cracks him and GSP takes it to the ground, or if he just decides to take it there for whatever reason, I'm not totally sure he is prepared for Condit. Condit looks for subs like it is going out of style, and if there isn't one then he throws elbows and punches from the bottom almost non-stop. I would like to see how GSP deals with that type of pressure from the bottom.
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I totally think Condit can sub GSP off his back. I think the main decider in if that happens or not will be GSP.
It is really rare these days for subs from the back and you think that is likely against the guy with probably the best top control in all of MMA? I can't see that happening, I think Condit has a better chance winning standing (not a good chance but sure as hell better than catching something from the bottom).

To win a fight you have to do something better than the other guy. What exactly does Condit do better than GSP? Cardio? Striking? Wrestling? I don't see anything that Condit is obviously better at, or not better enough to stop GSP from doing what he wants to do. I don't see anything that Condit offers that GSP's previous opponents didn't also offer.

Condit is a great, well rounded fighter but so is Jon Fitch and this fight is going to look like that one. GSP just does everything a little bit better.
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Condit looks for subs like it is going out of style, and if there isn't one then he throws elbows and punches from the bottom almost non-stop. I would like to see how GSP deals with that type of pressure from the bottom.
yup if no sub is available he beats the hell out of you until it forces you to make a mistake..

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To win a fight you have to do something better than the other guy. What exactly does Condit do better than GSP? Cardio? Striking? Wrestling? I don't see anything that Condit is obviously better at, or not better enough to stop GSP from doing what he wants to do. I don't see anything that Condit offers that GSP's previous opponents didn't also offer.
i would say condit has better subs, better power, better "more diverse" striking, better killer instinct, and better fight IQ in his ability to adapt and overcome.. and i would say he has better cardio too, sometimes GSP will slow down a bit in the last couple rounds.. granted condit almost never goes 5 rounds, but still we have never seen him slow down........ oh yeah better chin too lol

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It is really rare these days for subs from the back and you think that is likely against the guy with probably the best top control in all of MMA? I can't see that happening, I think Condit has a better chance winning standing (not a good chance but sure as hell better than catching something from the bottom).
GSP has faced great wrestlers and guys with great pedigrees, but who has he faced that has applied the pressure from the bottom? The answer is no one. Most try to tie him up and hope for a standup, Condit doesn't do that, he, like Florian, instantly attacks. It is easier to have great top control when the guy just wants to get out from under you.

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To win a fight you have to do something better than the other guy. What exactly does Condit do better than GSP? Cardio? Striking? Wrestling? I don't see anything that Condit is obviously better at, or not better enough to stop GSP from doing what he wants to do. I don't see anything that Condit offers that GSP's previous opponents didn't also offer.
Condit's striking is better, he has shown he does have power, and funny enough like GSP of old, is really diverse with his striking. He throws traditional combinations in non-traditional ways. He never throws the same thing back to back, and really will throw anything at any time.

Wrestling, there really is no contest here. Condit is the best wrestler in all of WW...

Just kidding. As I mentioned, it is up to GSP if this fight goes to the ground or not. The only way I see Condit getting it there would be to pull guard as GSP goes to tie up. Otherwise the fight takes place where GSP wants it.

To piggy off that, I think BJJ wise Condit is the better of the two by quite a bit.

In Cardio I give it a tie. They both have great cardio and push on even when gassed. I don't see one guy tiring out and trying to ride out a round.

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Condit is a great, well rounded fighter but so is Jon Fitch and this fight is going to look like that one. GSP just does everything a little bit better.
Fair comparison except I disagree that GSP is better in every area. I think Condit is the better striker since GSP has backed off from his varied offense, and I think on the ground Condit is more dangerous. By no means do I think this is an easy fight for either fighter and I expect if GSP wins this will be the hardest victory of his career.
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GSP will hump Condit into a victory. That's a fact. Decision due to humping, I can only keep it real..
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A guy once told me that ACL injuries and rehabilitation are almost always career ending in any sport. Very few athlietes ever come back from this kind of injury. I would put GSP in the category of the ones who could overcome it since his training is so technical and specific. Ohter than he not being 100% recovered from this injury, I cannot see how Condit can win this fight.

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A guy once told me that ACL injuries and rehabilitation are almost always career ending in any sport. Very few athlietes ever come back from this kind of injury. I would put GSP in the category of the ones who could overcome it since his training is so technical and specific. Ohter than he not being 100% recovered from this injury, I cannot see how Condit can win this fight.
It definatly doens't help matters. And a good % are never the same.

But there are countless NFL players who have tore ACLs plus other ligaments and came back as good as new. NFL running backs need great cutting ability which is a lot of pressure on the knees. More so than fighting I would imagine.

GSP will be fine especially the way he trains and rehabs.
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It definatly doens't help matters. And a good % are never the same.

But there are countless NFL players who have tore ACLs plus other ligaments and came back as good as new. NFL running backs need great cutting ability which is a lot of pressure on the knees. More so than fighting I would imagine.

GSP will be fine especially the way he trains and rehabs.
It really depends on how much he abuses it as well. NFL RB's abuse their legs, specifically their ankles and knees for about 50 snaps a game whether they carry the ball or not. I doubt GSP is using his at such high intensity for as long. GSP can make a comeback, but as many famous athletes have said, it is all mental (assuming it has healed correctly). Several have mentioned in interviews that the biggest fear is going out there and it just snaps again. So they start to do bad things like baby it, pull themselves out of games earlier, and so forth. As long as GSP is mentally convinced he can use it 100%, then he will. If he isn't, watch for him to make mistakes specifically to that side to protect it.
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