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Old 11-01-2012, 02:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think GSP will start off with the better boxing. Carlos has ok hands, and Georges isn't a natural, but he's trained extensively at it and has incorporated it into his recent fights.

Carlos' strength is his diverse striking and kicks, however, if he uses the same volume of kicks against GSP, he's going to get taken down without question.

Georges also has the threat of the takedown to keep Condit off balance, so, putting it all together, its going to be tough for Condit to win the standup. Georges will outpoint him if it stays standing, and he has the ability to keep the fight standing if he wants to play it safe.

I think I give pure ground grappling advantage to Condit, but he's always going to find himself on the bottom, where he's still awesome. I think his best shot is a sub or even a cut from bottom elbows. It'll be interesting to see how long George will want to play in the guard, if he wants to at all.

Another X factor is Greg Jackson, I don't think he's ever gameplanned against GSP (Im assuming he's cornering Condit), and he'll have some insight on GSP as well.
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I think I give pure ground grappling advantage to Condit, but he's always going to find himself on the bottom, where he's still awesome. I think his best shot is a sub or even a cut from bottom elbows. It'll be interesting to see how long George will want to play in the guard, if he wants to at all.
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If GSP wants to pass into side control, I'm pretty sure it's gonna' happen- most likely sooner rather than later.

If Carlos tries anything flying, he's likely gonna' end up on his keister; if he tries to kick, he's likley gonna' get dumped.
If he ends up on the bottom, he's likely going to find out what everyone else who goes down there with George finds out: if George wants you to stay down there, then that's likely where you're going to be spending some quality time- more often than not, on his terms.

IMO, Carlos is basically going to be frustrated wherever this fight goes.
It will be interesting to see how his reaction to that manifests during the fight.

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GSP by 5 round decision.

Would be shocked with any other outcome.
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I think GSP will start off with the better boxing. Carlos has ok hands, and Georges isn't a natural, but he's trained extensively at it and has incorporated it into his recent fights.

Carlos' strength is his diverse striking and kicks, however, if he uses the same volume of kicks against GSP, he's going to get taken down without question.

Georges also has the threat of the takedown to keep Condit off balance, so, putting it all together, its going to be tough for Condit to win the standup. Georges will outpoint him if it stays standing, and he has the ability to keep the fight standing if he wants to play it safe.
If I was in Carlos's corner or camp I would get this picture in his head. No matter how much you work on it, not matter how hard you try, accept that if GSP wants to take you down, he will. Once you understand and accept that you will be able to throw everything with full force, because if you are worried your technique will be bad and you will set yourself up even more.

A great example is the Alves fight. In round 4 he realized it was going to happen and started throwing knees again. A couple of times he was just inches off from landing it straight on GSP's face. If he would have done that from the beginning when he was fresh and strongest he would have probably made more of an impact, been faster, and who knows how that fight turns out (probably the same, but still).

What Condit can do better than almost anyone is leave GSP confused. He likes to take the easy fight, and really who can blame him? This guy sucks at standup? Guess what, boxing time bitch! This guy has KO power? Time to wrestle! What Condit can do is make neither path the easier one, this forcing GSP into a situation where he doesn't have a comfort zone. If Condit fires off those push kicks, especially against the hurt knee, head kicks, body kicks, and combinations to the face while standing. Then on the ground if he goes for sub, after sub, after sub, and when there isn't one start throwing elbows like his name is Florian. I can see a situation that arises where GSP looks like the fish out of water for once.

With all that said, if GSP does easily beat Condit in a certain area, like if he can smother him on the ground then I expect this fight to be another decision because finishing Condit ain't an easy task.
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Does anyone think Condit will look for some good leg kicks toward GSP's newly recovered knee? I assume he wants to stand with him, and since kicks are such a big part of his stand up it might be interesting.
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If GSP wants to pass into side control, I'm pretty sure it's gonna' happen- most likely sooner rather than later.

If he ends up on the bottom, he's likely going to find out what everyone else who goes down there with George finds out: if George wants you to stay down there, then that's likely where you're going to be spending some quality time- more often than not, on his terms.

IMO, Carlos is basically going to be frustrated wherever this fight goes.
I think this is the most active and capable 'bottom' fighter GSP has faced, even more so than BJ. Even in that fight, when Georges got side control, BJ was able to get it back, for the most part. I think it'll be a good ground struggle, Condit will be throwing up his legs and going for subs constantly, I wouldn't be surprised if he could work a few standups based off of George having to defend them.

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If I was in Carlos's corner or camp I would get this picture in his head. No matter how much you work on it, not matter how hard you try, accept that if GSP wants to take you down, he will. Once you understand and accept that you will be able to throw everything with full force, because if you are worried your technique will be bad and you will set yourself up even more.

A great example is the Alves fight. In round 4 he realized it was going to happen and started throwing knees again. A couple of times he was just inches off from landing it straight on GSP's face. If he would have done that from the beginning when he was fresh and strongest he would have probably made more of an impact, been faster, and who knows how that fight turns out (probably the same, but still).
I guess thats an interesting strategy, but I wonder how many chances that'll give Condit to throw hay. Condit is smarter than just going for power shots and would likely try some set ups. I don't see him connecting with anything major to be honest.

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What Condit can do better than almost anyone is leave GSP confused. He likes to take the easy fight, and really who can blame him? This guy sucks at standup? Guess what, boxing time bitch! This guy has KO power? Time to wrestle! What Condit can do is make neither path the easier one, this forcing GSP into a situation where he doesn't have a comfort zone. If Condit fires off those push kicks, especially against the hurt knee, head kicks, body kicks, and combinations to the face while standing. Then on the ground if he goes for sub, after sub, after sub, and when there isn't one start throwing elbows like his name is Florian. I can see a situation that arises where GSP looks like the fish out of water for once.
While this is true for Condit, he doesn't have that many options against GSP. He's great in that he mixes up his strikes, and is active on the ground.

Condit may not have the ability to win the fight, but he does have the ability to not make the fight not boring.
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I guess thats an interesting strategy, but I wonder how many chances that'll give Condit to throw hay. Condit is smarter than just going for power shots and would likely try some set ups. I don't see him connecting with anything major to be honest.
You are right, my point was that if Condit is worried about the takedown he may be so focused on it he forgets his arsenal and spends his time like Alves just throwing jabs and having his hands low to prep to the TD attempt. If Condit finds any success on the feet he is going to start throwing even more and more.

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While this is true for Condit, he doesn't have that many options against GSP. He's great in that he mixes up his strikes, and is active on the ground.

Condit may not have the ability to win the fight, but he does have the ability to not make the fight not boring.
I completely disagree with this. Condit has way more ways to win than GSP, and we have seen it all throughout Condit's career. GSP's record has been tarnished by taking all of his fights as of late to decision. The GSP that used to break guys, make them quit, and then finish them is gone. Condit put it aside for a single fight, but otherwise has been out there destroying pretty much anyone they put him against, and he isn't afraid to go strength against strength either, which makes his record more impressive.

I am confident Condit walks away with the title, GSP's soul, and all the fans afterwards can make all the excuses they want, a finisher will finally be the champ again.
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You are right, my point was that if Condit is worried about the takedown he may be so focused on it he forgets his arsenal and spends his time like Alves just throwing jabs and having his hands low to prep to the TD attempt. If Condit finds any success on the feet he is going to start throwing even more and more.
If he finds any success on his feet, he's getting taken down.


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I completely disagree with this. Condit has way more ways to win than GSP, and we have seen it all throughout Condit's career. GSP's record has been tarnished by taking all of his fights as of late to decision. The GSP that used to break guys, make them quit, and then finish them is gone. Condit put it aside for a single fight, but otherwise has been out there destroying pretty much anyone they put him against, and he isn't afraid to go strength against strength either, which makes his record more impressive.

I am confident Condit walks away with the title, GSP's soul, and all the fans afterwards can make all the excuses they want, a finisher will finally be the champ again.
Maybe historically has more ways he has won, but coming up against GSP, he's going to be limited by GSP's abilities, namely his boxing, takedowns, and top control. I definitely don't count him out. Maybe Condit's record has been impressive, but he's never come against a wrestler or striker like GSP.
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GSP will hump Condit into a victory. That's a fact. Decision due to humping, I can only keep it real..
Probably right but im expecting to see GSP get the finish.
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