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Old 10-31-2012, 12:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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VIDEO: How Carlos Condit Can Beat GSP

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nobody is going to beat GSP on points, it is smart of condit to plan on an aggressive game plan.. however i doubt that he went into the diaz fight thinking he was going to outpoint diaz, but when you actually get in the cage and fight things can change and the path to victory can become something completely different than what you expected.
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nobody is going to beat GSP on points, it is smart of condit to plan on an aggressive game plan.. however i doubt that he went into the diaz fight thinking he was going to outpoint diaz, but when you actually get in the cage and fight things can change and the path to victory can become something completely different than what you expected.
Very true. The big thing with Diaz was that Diaz took some shots that other guys are going to fall or get rocked from, like those headkicks that Condit threw.

No one really has a gameplan to finish, just a gameplan on how to get the fight to go how they want it to, finishing is the result of following up on opportunities. Condit does really well at aggressively follow up on opportunities, while GSP looks at them and waves as they go by.

I think Condit will win this fight and have to deal with the 'still injured' or 'not fully recovered' comments until the rematch where he beats him again.
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while GSP looks at them and waves as they go by.
I think the problem with GSP not "finishing" fights is that whomever he faces quickly goes from "winning" to "surviving".
And, not that Im a fighters so I cant say for sure, but I think its alot harder to finish a guy who goes into survival mode, than it is a guy who who wants to finish you.
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Good luck Condit, you are going to need it.

No one has even come close to beating GSP since his loss to Serra and I don't expect that to change in this fight.

Fitch, Alves, Penn, Koscheck, Shields. None of them have been able to give GSP a challenge so far. Condit probably has the best striking of the bunch but I don't know that it is better then GSP's and it will be hard for him to strike when fighting off his back.
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I think the problem with GSP not "finishing" fights is that whomever he faces quickly goes from "winning" to "surviving".
And, not that Im a fighters so I cant say for sure, but I think its alot harder to finish a guy who goes into survival mode, than it is a guy who who wants to finish you.
GSP doesn't finish a lot of fights because he isn't willing to take risks since his loss to Serra. He fights safe and is still able to dominate tough opponents no matter if it is standing or grappling.

For example there are times that he could probably go for a submission but he passes on it because there is also a chance he could lose position. Or he could stand and bang with a guy but takes them down and smothers them instead.

What we need to see is someone that can actually challenge GSP, push him out of his comfort zone and force him to take a chance and fight for the win. Think like the Fitch/Silva fight we just witnessed. GSP is a true champion and I see him stepping up his game similar to what Fitch did, the thing is we just haven't had to see that yet. I honestly don't think that Condit can do this but maybe I am wrong. If not it is one of the reasons that I would still like to see GSP fight Silva. Silva probably wins but GSP could definitely step up his game and make a good fight out of it.
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I think we're more likely to see a finish than ever, seeing that Greg Jackson won't be in either corner. Both fighters will be fighting more on instinct.
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I think the problem with GSP not "finishing" fights is that whomever he faces quickly goes from "winning" to "surviving".
And, not that Im a fighters so I cant say for sure, but I think its alot harder to finish a guy who goes into survival mode, than it is a guy who who wants to finish you.
That is a valid point, but there is a difference between a guy trying to survive on his feet vs one trying to survive under you on the ground. While I don't expect GSP to pull off some Maia level BJJ, he has had guys under him who he could let go of and just starting dropping bombs, but because there is the chance they could escape he doesn't. Why? It isn't like he won't get them there again if they do. He acts like every TD is the only one of the fight he will get. Against a wreslter like Kos who stuffed a couple, I understand, but once he started getting them on the regular you would figure he would take more risk, not that it is that much more risk.

GSP needs to take a lesson from Maia and create opportunities instead of hoping they happen.

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I think we're more likely to see a finish than ever, seeing that Greg Jackson won't be in either corner. Both fighters will be fighting more on instinct.
I think the Diaz fight was the only fight Condit didn't finish under Jackson. This critique of Jackson really needs to go away.
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I can't see the video here at work.

Is it Condit swinging a lead pipe around?

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I think the Diaz fight was the only fight Condit didn't finish under Jackson. This critique of Jackson really needs to go away.
I absolutely agree. It ticks me off when people say Jackson killed Condits ambition to finish fights just because he executed a good gameplan to beat Nick Diaz, when he has finished 26/28 of his wins ALL UNDER JACKSON. I think Greg Jackson is THE top, and most accomplished brilliant MMA trainer on the planet, and I have much respect for him. He trains his fighters to WIN fights and that's what makes him successful.

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The big knock against Jackson fighters, as I've stated earlier, is that they fight a game plan is which they would probably win the most, which means taking absolutely no risks and putting up boring fights. I'm just simply stating that since he won't be in either corner, both GSP and Condit will be fighting more from their instinct, which means taking more risks, and making an exciting fight.

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