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Old 11-01-2012, 11:20 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I used to think you were a decent poster, but your a goof. "Sport"?

Who haven't I supported? Erick Silva? What should I say? I'm in no position to talk after him losing. Does that mean I now don't support him?

Maybe I missed everyone saying it. But I don't remember people saying Machida would stuff Jones' TDs Everyone picked Bones so obviously they figured he would get a TD and work from there. No one figured he would win by striking for 5 rounds...peoples expected him to take Machida down. People thought Machida had a very good base for a guy who was never a wrestler. But his TDD was never proven. He got trip took down by Shogun. The only wrestler he stuffed was a crusty Tito. Rashad never tried. I think you are exaggerating here.

There is a difference between a natural 6 foot 205er with good TDD and a 6'4 240lb fighter with TDD. Would you not think this? Why did you ignore the Rampage example?

It wasn't a pop at Vitor. It was a pop at Jones. Vitor is 35 and the what 4th best MW? Jones accepted a fight with him. He is now accepting a fight with Sonnen another failed 185er who is also what? 36?....who couldn't beat the 185 champ...yet Jones is going to take him on for the 205 title? He was going to fight Hendo (huge Hendo fan) but he is a 41 year old man who'd body wouldn't allow him to fight at 185. And these are great title defenses. When Anderson already put them all away. So he will have 2 defenses in a row over 185ers. Machida doesn't even really cut weight either.

Perhaps it isn't to you. But to me, if Jones is this beastly it is a shame he is spending months to do a show to fight a 185er who lost last time out. If he truly does go to HW by 2013 he will have wasted 2 title shots fighting MW fighters.
You've mis-read my post mate. I was responding to Lyoto Legion, not you, check the quotes. The "sport" bit was a light hearted joke towards him.

I'll get back to the rest of your post tommorrow, time for bed now.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:15 AM   #32 (permalink)
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You've mis-read my post mate. I was responding to Lyoto Legion, not you, check the quotes. The "sport" bit was a light hearted joke towards him.

I'll get back to the rest of your post tommorrow, time for bed now.
think Jones would rag-doll dos santos because he had a take down on machida? Is that really your argument? Probably...no, that is.. the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I would be surprised if Jones beat any top 5 HW. Jones will definitely connect on HW's and they will take his punches, question is, can Jones handle the one punch KO power alot of HW's possess? I'm just stating real stuff, if it offends u, its Prolly cuz I'm right. #thuglife
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I hope JDS would murder Bones and piss on his grave.




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Old 11-02-2012, 12:45 AM   #34 (permalink)
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The title of this thread is alot more "whatever wanna you call it (Arrogant,Cocky,Rude)" then the actual article is. In the article everything he says is very fair.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:47 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Machida at what little stubby reach? Was able to connect on Jones. You are saying JDS...a superior boxer would get out "ranged" all night? You think he would sit at the end of his punches all night?

Jones has no standing KO power at 205. So he probably will have less at HW unless he goes OVEREEM on us. JDS would walk right through any weak jabs Jones had and land his own devastating shots.

Not everything is about reach. Reach certainly helps. But to say a striker like JDS would get out-boxed all night by Jones's weak punches is a little out there.

Miguel Torres had a huge reach for 135. Very technical. Good boxer. And he got caught a few times and finished by guys giving up a half a foot of reach. Timing and technical polished skills are better to have than reach.
I'm thinking less about punches, than punches and kicks. Secondly, I don't think Jones won't have too many qualms going for a clinch or playing the fence game. He might not get a takedown, but he'll be able to get elbows in.

As for Machida, sure, he got his shots at him, and I still want to see that rematch, but JDS is simply a different kind of striker than Machida and you know very well that Machida's game is very unique.

JDS has pretty simple set ups, at range, and with Jackson's gameplan, I doubt we'll see too much connect.

Granted, Jones' chin is a mystery, and JDS might only need one clean shot to do the job.

I'm not saying Jones would win for sure, but I'd say we'd see a fairly interesting match up that could go either way
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:49 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I used to think you were a decent poster, but your a goof. "Sport"?

Who haven't I supported? Erick Silva? What should I say? I'm in no position to talk after him losing. Does that mean I now don't support him?

Maybe I missed everyone saying it. But I don't remember people saying Machida would stuff Jones' TDs Everyone picked Bones so obviously they figured he would get a TD and work from there. No one figured he would win by striking for 5 rounds...peoples expected him to take Machida down. People thought Machida had a very good base for a guy who was never a wrestler. But his TDD was never proven. He got trip took down by Shogun. The only wrestler he stuffed was a crusty Tito. Rashad never tried. I think you are exaggerating here.

There is a difference between a natural 6 foot 205er with good TDD and a 6'4 240lb fighter with TDD. Would you not think this? Why did you ignore the Rampage example?

It wasn't a pop at Vitor. It was a pop at Jones. Vitor is 35 and the what 4th best MW? Jones accepted a fight with him. He is now accepting a fight with Sonnen another failed 185er who is also what? 36?....who couldn't beat the 185 champ...yet Jones is going to take him on for the 205 title? He was going to fight Hendo (huge Hendo fan) but he is a 41 year old man who'd body wouldn't allow him to fight at 185. And these are great title defenses. When Anderson already put them all away. So he will have 2 defenses in a row over 185ers. Machida doesn't even really cut weight either.

Perhaps it isn't to you. But to me, if Jones is this beastly it is a shame he is spending months to do a show to fight a 185er who lost last time out. If he truly does go to HW by 2013 he will have wasted 2 title shots fighting MW fighters.
Just commenting on one thing.

I actually did see alot of posts saying "Machida might be able to stop Jones takedowns since he has some of the best TDD which might make for an interesting fight"

Especially in replies to me saying that Machida does not have great takedown defense.

So yeah... just my 2 cents from what i saw.
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You know we're cool man, but Jones has a better record, has defeated better opponents and has arguably beaten them in more devastating fashion.
Of course we're cool man, we're not always going to have the exact same opinions on everything.

Bones has probably beaten a tad better quality of opponents, but JDS isn't far behind. I don't think Cigano would be taken down against Jones and would destroy him standing. All it would take is one good shot from JDS and Jones would goto sleep, and JDS tends to land that one big KO shot unless it's to the chin of freaks like Nelson and Carwin.

I would love to see this fight, but stylistically I see no advantages for Jones and several for JDS. Jones might have the awesome Greco, but JDS would overpower him and keep the fight standing i'm thinking. I would be shocked if Jones wasn't out cold by round 2 sometime.
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Maybe i'm a fan boy but i've watched JDS spar with Shogun (granted Junior has improved alot since then) and I think that Anderson would hand him his first KO loss if the two ever fought. Unfortunately it will never happen..

Imagine if Anderson beat GSP, Bones and JDS and then retired like a boss.

I don't think Andy could beat the big wrestlers in the HW div. but I definitely think he'd beat the strikers.
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do ppl really think junior is cocky?

if so then i think we need to clarify what it means because i think junior is the epitome of confidence without being cocky

i suppose its always a fine line

i think bones biggest problem in this fight is his lack of real 'wars'. junior will give him one if he doesnt finish quick and i see jones being broken

in future rematches though who knows. to think of a matchup between these guys in say 5 years time fascinates me for some reason
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At the moment, JDS' take down defense is just like how Machida's TDD was hyped up before he fought Jon Jones, or an elite level wrestler who's game plan was to take him down. (Note, Rashad Evans wasn't committed to taking the fight to the ground).

JDS' TDD still hasn't really been tested from a truly elite level wrestler, just like Machidas hadn't before he fought Jon.

Jon Jones scooped up Machida like he was a toy and dumped him onto his ass. That's the calibre of wrestler Jon Jones is. Dos Santos isn't on this kids level. Bulked up, Jon would toss Junior to the floor and brutalise him with elbows.
Yeah because Cain Velasquez is the same level of wrestler that a washed up Tito was gimme a break.

Cain is as good a wrestler as Jones. His wrestling style is different but twice as relentless. His standup is weaker than Jones, but JDS' standup is still better than both.

JDS all day.
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