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Old 11-03-2012, 11:52 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I find it so funny that people think because it is used for water cutting...then that is exactly what it was for.

Bonnar has been popped for roids before..so why give him the benefit of the doubt? That roid he was popped for is a great indicator into actual full fledged ROID use. It is a supplement guys take after roid cycles.

Mo was JUST popped for the same thing. And made a big deal as he didn't know it was in a supplement he was given a local GNC. Is Bonnar really THAT dumb after all these years...popped once...long time vet...that he took something without knowing what he was taking? Or if it was legal?

Bottom line is he knew. He was popped before. He just slipped out and retired after this. It is BANNED for a reason. That reason is because it goes hand in hand with anabolic roid use. It has many times in the past.

Bonnar is/was aware of this. It is a shame that so many guy do in fact use roids and are able to cover it up. But a guy that was popped before doesn't surprise me. Bonnar cheated once...cheated again....and prolly cheated a bunch of times without being caught.
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:57 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Thats not really how it works.

Its helps cut water weight. If you are really heavy then water weight wont be enough. And IF you are very heavy and you cut purely water weight especially using Drostanolone. Chances are you are going to be taken to the hospital before you ever step in to the octagon.

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We all imagined Bonnar to be much bigger then Anderson and Anderson to be faster. If they had a full training camp then everything would have been exactly the same. Bonnar would make weight and be the bigger guy while Anderson would be a little smaller.
So he basically just did what he had to do to make weight since it was a short notice fight and he was retired. (I see no problem there. Anyway that is my opinion and i am going to sleep. No one is going to make me care about something just because they care about it.)


Also I was actually surprised at how close they were in size. I expected Bonnar to be alot bigger then Anderson but he wasnt.
Did you see Bonnar's arms? They were no similar in size. Maybe in stature. But Bonnar was ripped. Where as Anderson was a pudgy, slightly out of shape, little weight cut size. When Anderson fights at 205 he is soft. Bonnar's arms when he flexed at weigh ins were huge. The pic of Bonnar punching Silva...his arm is raging with muscle.

Why would Bonnar take a KNOWN "water cutter" when MO was JUST popped for it...and it was all over MMA news? If he had trouble making 205 on short notice...why didn't he simply as the UFC and ANderson to make it a HW fight. Or a fight of 210? Neither would have gave a shit. It wasn't for a title. It was just a fun fight.

Instead he opted to use a banned substance? Makes NO sense. He is Bonnar. He is at the tail end of his career. If the cut was that bad he should have asked for a better weight. It was on short notice...all partys would have understood. Save some dignity instead of blatantly cheat.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:00 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I'm not thrilled by this news, but I'm not going to get riled up by it either. Bonnar was destroyed. And Bonnar is now retired. Regardless of how we arrived here, the world is balanced.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:04 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I'm not thrilled by this news, but I'm not going to get riled up by it either. Bonnar was destroyed. And Bonnar is now retired. Regardless of how we arrived here, the world is balanced.
I'm just riled up over the fact people think Bonnar is that ignorant to substances this far into his career.

Was never a huge Bonnar fan but always respected him in the cage. He got popped before so it isn't that shocking.

Just a shame to go out on a failed drug test and a suspension. He had the opportunity to fight the best fighter out there...had he somehow won it would have been erased. Why take that chance? Bonnar knew what he was taking and knew it was banned.
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Who is saying that he should not pay the consequence??

I fail to see the logic in acting like he is taking steroids to be bigger and faster and cheating in the fight and he still couldnt beat Anderson.

Instead IM going to call it for what it is. A man basically retired trying to save an event for fans to enjoy so he did what he had to do to lose the weight. It does not affect the fight whatsoever.
Again, It is cheating because he is using an illegal substance. Doesn't really matter what it's for it is still illegal. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
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Did you see Bonnar's arms? They were no similar in size. Maybe in stature. But Bonnar was ripped. Where as Anderson was a pudgy, slightly out of shape, little weight cut size. When Anderson fights at 205 he is soft. Bonnar's arms when he flexed at weigh ins were huge. The pic of Bonnar punching Silva...his arm is raging with muscle.

Why would Bonnar take a KNOWN "water cutter" when MO was JUST popped for it...and it was all over MMA news? If he had trouble making 205 on short notice...why didn't he simply as the UFC and ANderson to make it a HW fight. Or a fight of 210? Neither would have gave a shit. It wasn't for a title. It was just a fun fight.

Instead he opted to use a banned substance? Makes NO sense. He is Bonnar. He is at the tail end of his career. If the cut was that bad he should have asked for a better weight. It was on short notice...all partys would have understood. Save some dignity instead of blatantly cheat.
Cause you dont take Drostanolone unless its a last minute thing. Chances are he was very close to fight time. And it being his biggest fight ever and the fact that it was his last fight he didnt want to mess it up. Maybe he even got injured late in to the training camp and he knew weight must be made.

Thats my guess anyway. Without more info on the subject its hard to say exactly. But weight cutting is weight cutting and i know many of your panties will get in bunches over it but i really still could care less.

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Again, It is cheating because he is using an illegal substance. Doesn't really matter what it's for it is still illegal. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
Its cheating according to the commission.

That doesnt have to mean its cheating according to me.

If you dont see that then i dont know what to tell you.
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Again, It is cheating because he is using an illegal substance. Doesn't really matter what it's for it is still illegal. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
It is also ridiculous to say "Bonnar was saving the event" He did what he had too."

No he could have asked for a change in weight limit that everyone would have been happy to give him.

I refuse to give a guy a benefit of the doubt when he used a straight up anabolic steroid made for veterinarian use the 2nd time he fought Forrest. Which was a huge fight for him coming off a loss. So he roided. Why would anyone give him the benefit of the doubt?

Chris Weidman saved a FOX main card fight by dropping an ungodly amount of weight to make 185 in a few days.

Bonnar saves a card by taking something he knows is banned. Something probably masking heavy roid use. Something that would have made the whole event look terrible if he managed to win somehow. That is "saving the event"?

A 210lb catchweight would have saved the event too. In a legal manner.
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Cause you dont take Drostanolone unless its a last minute thing. Chances are he was very close to fight time.
Can you tell me why he didn't ask for a weight change? Why did he resort to a banned substance that he knew he would be caught for instead of asking for some leeway? Anderson was going to kick his ass anyway...do you think Silva would have said no? Dana would have said no?

Why did he take something he knew he would fail on? What is the point of even fighting if you are taking a banned substance a couple days before weigh ins?

Bonnar has never missed weight in his life. He didn't look that drained at all in pressers or at the weigh ins.

Amateur level when guys take a banned substance right before a fight. Is Bonnar 22 years old and new to this game and how things work?

Screw asking for a new weight. He could have missed weight all together. Came in FRESHER. Lost a chunk of his purse. Now he is losing some of hiis purse anyway and goes out on a suspension.

Do you really think Bonnar is this dumb and it was all just a weight cut issue? So Bonnar keeps a few tabs of banned substances in his bookbag?

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Can you tell me why he didn't ask for a weight change? Why did he resort to a banned substance that he knew he would be caught for instead of asking for some leeway? Anderson was going to kick his ass anyway...do you think Silva would have said no? Dana would have said no?

Why did he take something he knew he would fail on? What is the point of even fighting if you are taking a banned substance a couple days before weigh ins?

Bonnar has never missed weight in his life. He didn't look that drained at all in pressers or at the weigh ins.

Amateur level when guys take a banned substance right before a fight. Is Bonnar 22 years old and new to this game and how things work?
Cause when you ask for a weight change you are bugging alot of people with YOUR problem. Some people including myself would like to deal with sht like this on their own rather then go involving the boss.

And when you say you will make the weight then you make the weight. End of story.
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Cause when you ask for a weight change you are bugging alot of people with YOUR problem. Some people including myself would like to deal with sht like this on their own rather then go involving the boss.

And when you say you will make the weight then you make the weight. End of story.
I'm sure Dana would have gladly been OK with a weight change instead of having a guy who Main Evented one of his PPVs and long time face of the organization get popped for illegal substances for the 2nd time in his career. I bet that has bugged him a lot more than any change in weight would have.

Josh Barnett was popped in a championship fight. He was then cut and never let in the UFC again even though a long time top 10 HW. Tell me Dana White cares more about you making weight than roids/suspensions/bad marks on the UFC.

Bonnar didn't look drained to me.

I won't give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who was popped before.

But to each there own.
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