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Old 11-03-2012, 12:32 PM   #61 (permalink)
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It is also ridiculous to say "Bonnar was saving the event" He did what he had too."

No he could have asked for a change in weight limit that everyone would have been happy to give him.

I refuse to give a guy a benefit of the doubt when he used a straight up anabolic steroid made for veterinarian use the 2nd time he fought Forrest. Which was a huge fight for him coming off a loss. So he roided. Why would anyone give him the benefit of the doubt?

Chris Weidman saved a FOX main card fight by dropping an ungodly amount of weight to make 185 in a few days.

Bonnar saves a card by taking something he knows is banned. Something probably masking heavy roid use. Something that would have made the whole event look terrible if he managed to win somehow. That is "saving the event"?

A 210lb catchweight would have saved the event too. In a legal manner.

I agree some people let their stubborness just blind them to reality. Good post.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:33 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I'm sure Dana would have gladly been OK with a weight change instead of having a guy who Main Evented one of his PPVs and long time face of the organization get popped for illegal substances for the 2nd time in his career. I bet that has bugged him a lot more than any change in weight would have.

Josh Barnett was popped in a championship fight. He was then cut and never let in the UFC again even though a long time top 10 HW. Tell me Dana White cares more about you making weight than roids/suspensions/bad marks on the UFC.

Bonnar didn't look drained to me.

I won't give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who was popped before.

But to each there own.
My thing is...

Bonnar obviously knew he was going to pop positive. You dont take Drostanolone months away from fight night and then stop in time to pass the test. That would make no sense in this situation. Since by the time it is out of your system all the water weight you lost by using that stuff would be back.

And if you want to gain an advantage over someone then Drostanolone isnt the way to go. Better stuff out there for someone trying to gain an unfair advantage.


Now if you wanna argue whether Bonnar takes more steroids then just this??? It might very well be a possibility. As far as i know Drostanolone can only be shot up. And if you are willing to shoot that stuff up then who knows what else you are willing to take.

But i can only comment on what he was caught with not what else he might be taking and cycling off correctly.


And im not trying to change anyones opinion and force them to not care about this. I JUST DONT CARE ABOUT THIS. I dont understand why people need me to care about things they do.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:37 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I'm just riled up over the fact people think Bonnar is that ignorant to substances this far into his career.

Was never a huge Bonnar fan but always respected him in the cage. He got popped before so it isn't that shocking.

Just a shame to go out on a failed drug test and a suspension. He had the opportunity to fight the best fighter out there...had he somehow won it would have been erased. Why take that chance? Bonnar knew what he was taking and knew it was banned.
Yup. It's a shame I agree but it just amazes me the lengths people will go to defend this guy. Had someone like Jon Jones done this, people would have ripped him a new one.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:41 PM   #64 (permalink)
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That is sort of my point. A guy as smart as Bonnar was willing to test positive (what if he won???) lose a chunk of money, and lose respect? The other option if just miss weight. Silva was defending nothing. Silva isn't a 205er. What difference would it have made if Anderson came in at 202 and Bonnar at 210?

He probably lost respect from Dana, Anderson, his fans...

Where as I doubt he would have lost any respect if he said the short notice and Brazil location was making it hard to get on weight. Guys do this all the time...and agree beforehand on a catchweight.

Who knows exactly what he used it for. If he used it for JUST cutting water he is still wrong. What kind of mentality would you bring into a fight if you knew in the back of your mind that you were going to fail the test? There was no commission in Brazil and Bonnar probably thought it was a good time to do it. UFC had their own testing and it obviously wasn't half-assed.

Either way it baffles me that a long standing vet would rather test positive for a failed blood test over asking for a weight change or straight up being fresher and missing weight by a few lbs. It is odd that making 205 in a "all for fun" fight was on the top of his list. Did he not want to lose respect for missing weight? But didn't care about the respect he'd lose for testing positive? Doesn't make any bit of sense to me?
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:47 PM   #65 (permalink)
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That is sort of my point. A guy as smart as Bonnar was willing to test positive (what if he won???) lose a chunk of money, and lose respect? The other option if just miss weight. Silva was defending nothing. Silva isn't a 205er. What difference would it have made if Anderson came in at 202 and Bonnar at 210?

He probably lost respect from Dana, Anderson, his fans...

Where as I doubt he would have lost any respect if he said the short notice and Brazil location was making it hard to get on weight. Guys do this all the time...and agree beforehand on a catchweight.

Who knows exactly what he used it for. If he used it for JUST cutting water he is still wrong. What kind of mentality would you bring into a fight if you knew in the back of your mind that you were going to fail the test? There was no commission in Brazil and Bonnar probably thought it was a good time to do it. UFC had their own testing and it obviously wasn't half-assed.

Either way it baffles me that a long standing vet would rather test positive for a failed blood test over asking for a weight change or straight up being fresher and missing weight by a few lbs. It is odd that making 205 in a "all for fun" fight was on the top of his list. Did he not want to lose respect for missing weight? But didn't care about the respect he'd lose for testing positive? Doesn't make any bit of sense to me?
Well if he missed weight he loses like 20% of his purse. And i can see him feeling like missing weight is more unprofessional then taking a cutting water weight substance and popping positive when you are already retired.

If he wasnt planning on retiring after the Anderson fight then id be hoping to your side a little more. But its his last fight so he wanted to make the weight he agreed to and since this was a huge opportunity he didnt want to bug his boss close to fight time "Hey boss... i wont make weight. Can you draw up new papers for a HW fight. And uhh notify Anderson?? OH AND THX AGAIN FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY".

I would rather deal with it on my own then having to make that call too. Especially if im retiring.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:52 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Can't do anything about it now. He already lost and now he's retired... What are they gonna do, add another loss to his record, and put "Silvas Knee" as the opponent?
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I just feel he lost more respect with Dana, fans, Anderson and so on than he would have if he asked to change it or actually miss weight (sure they would have accepted a HW fight)

Can't speak for him though. But if he knew he was going to retire...why not leave with respect? Why even fight if a win wouldn't of counted in the end anyway? Seems like a LOSE LOSE LOSE. He got a beatdown. He wouldn't of won even if he pulled off the unthinkable. He lost respect of his opponent (as we all know Anderson and that camp is not fond of positive tests and TRT use).

But oh well. It is Bonnar's legacy. Not mine.
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Can't do anything about it now. He already lost and now he's retired... What are they gonna do, add another loss to his record, and put "Silvas Knee" as the opponent?
Bonnar has lost many times. What does takingg a loss have too do with anything?

I would think more people would like to retire with dignity and respect. Rather than leaving the sport on that note.

Don't see how it really matters "what they are going to do to him now"....it isn't even about that...
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I just feel he lost more respect with Dana, fans, Anderson and so on than he would have if he asked to change it or actually miss weight (sure they would have accepted a HW fight)

Can't speak for him though. But if he knew he was going to retire...why not leave with respect? Why even fight if a win wouldn't of counted in the end anyway? Seems like a LOSE LOSE LOSE. He got a beatdown. He wouldn't of won even if he pulled off the unthinkable. He lost respect of his opponent (as we all know Anderson and that camp is not fond of positive tests and TRT use).

But oh well. It is Bonnar's legacy. Not mine.
Well i would never argue anything of what you are saying.

You feel how you feel.

And its obvious alot of people did lose alot of respect for Bonnar by this. So it isnt like you are wrong.
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Cause you dont take Drostanolone unless its a last minute thing. Chances are he was very close to fight time. And it being his biggest fight ever and the fact that it was his last fight he didnt want to mess it up. Maybe he even got injured late in to the training camp and he knew weight must be made.

Thats my guess anyway. Without more info on the subject its hard to say exactly. But weight cutting is weight cutting and i know many of your panties will get in bunches over it but i really still could care less.



Its cheating according to the commission.

That doesnt have to mean its cheating according to me.

If you dont see that then i dont know what to tell you.
Actually Drostanolone is very performance-enhancing.
It's not nearly as anabolic as say testosteron, but it's even more androgenic, wich means you get all the other effects even more, such as agression, endurance and all the properties that makes men into men other than the actual muscle-building capability.

The more androgenic the steroid, the more suited it would be for a sport where musclebuilding isn't the primary goal.
Ben Johnson was stripped of his gold medal in the 100 meter sprint at the 1988 Summer Olympics when he tested positive for stanozolol after winning the final, stanozolol is extremely similar to Drostanolone. Both are based on DHT.

It does indeed also help with the weight-cutting but it's far from it's only effect.

Fluoxymesterone would probably be one of the even better choices if pure agression, abilty to push the pace and just really being an animal in cage is the goal. But Drostanolone isn't a bad choice.

Now this is striclty speculation on my part but I think maybe Bonnar knew that the only way he would have a chance against Silva was to try and do what Sonnen did the first fight and overwhelm Anderson before he can settle in to his rythm. He figured he was even bigger than Sonnen and that in combination with pushing Silva like Sonnen did + his blackbelt in BJJ to not get subbed, might have him win that fight.
Didn't work out very well but it would explain why he would take Drostanolone, since for pure weightcutting purposes there are way better diuretics out there.

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass but I really have to explain that Drostanolone isn't just a diuretic.
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