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Old 11-03-2012, 01:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The real obscenity is Steven Siler vs Darren Elkins on the prelims. Both guys are on 3 fight win streaks against decent competition and are 1 additional win away from a title shot.
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The fighters are on the card because they are Canadians or TriStar fighters and are decently known and for the most part somewhat relevant in their respective weight classes. GSP, Carmont, Ring and Hominick all fall into that category.

Cote, Stout, Makdessi, Bocek and Menjivar also fall into this category on the prelims.

The problem is that for the UFC to have put a really good Canadian based show together they would have needed MacDonald on this card as well since he really is the only top level Canadian fighter right now outside of GSP.

As for this card Lawlor although not a great fighter is usually entertaining and I am guessing that this match up with Carmont will actually end up being a pretty good fight, maybe even fight of the night.

Ring vs Costa should be a decent fight as well and I think both guys are fairly closely matched. I think it is more of a fight night main card fight instead of a PPV fight but given the Canadian choices I can see why they went with this.

Out of all the fights on the main card the only one I am really disappointed in is the Hominick Garza fight. The only reason it is there is because Hominick is a Canadian fighter with a decently known name. His 3 losses might be a little unfair to look at(great fight against Aldo and then flash KO against KZ) but he still has 3 losses and Garza has 2 which imo isn't main event quality.

Imo Bocek vs Dos Anjos should be swapped as it will likely be a decent fight and both fighters are more relevant in their division at this time. Bocek is also Canadian and is well known enough.

As for Siler vs Elkins. No Canadian in that match but it should be a fun one. I wouldn't call it main event worthy though as both are relatively unknown to many of the MMA casuals since neither has fought on a main card of any sort yet. I do expect the winner to see a substantial step up in competition though and will probably be on a main card in there next fight(likely a free card depending on opponent).

The problem that the UFC has with this card is that they are trying to cater to the Montreal/Canadian fans by giving them their own fighters like they do whenever they have cards in other countries. Unfortunately there isn't the talent to really do so and there have been enough cards here now that it gets kind of old seeing the same old fighters again and again. Overall I think this card will be ok but I don't really predict much in the way of fireworks.
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I'm not impressed by your opinion.

See what I did there?!

Kidding aside, I am interested and I will definitely be watching.
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The fighters are on the card because they are Canadians or TriStar fighters and are decently known and for the most part somewhat relevant in their respective weight classes. GSP, Carmont, Ring and Hominick all fall into that category.

Cote, Stout, Makdessi, Bocek and Menjivar also fall into this category on the prelims.

The problem is that for the UFC to have put a really good Canadian based show together they would have needed MacDonald on this card as well since he really is the only top level Canadian fighter right now outside of GSP.

As for this card Lawlor although not a great fighter is usually entertaining and I am guessing that this match up with Carmont will actually end up being a pretty good fight, maybe even fight of the night.

Ring vs Costa should be a decent fight as well and I think both guys are fairly closely matched. I think it is more of a fight night main card fight instead of a PPV fight but given the Canadian choices I can see why they went with this.

Out of all the fights on the main card the only one I am really disappointed in is the Hominick Garza fight. The only reason it is there is because Hominick is a Canadian fighter with a decently known name. His 3 losses might be a little unfair to look at(great fight against Aldo and then flash KO against KZ) but he still has 3 losses and Garza has 2 which imo isn't main event quality.

Imo Bocek vs Dos Anjos should be swapped as it will likely be a decent fight and both fighters are more relevant in their division at this time. Bocek is also Canadian and is well known enough.

As for Siler vs Elkins. No Canadian in that match but it should be a fun one. I wouldn't call it main event worthy though as both are relatively unknown to many of the MMA casuals since neither has fought on a main card of any sort yet. I do expect the winner to see a substantial step up in competition though and will probably be on a main card in there next fight(likely a free card depending on opponent).

The problem that the UFC has with this card is that they are trying to cater to the Montreal/Canadian fans by giving them their own fighters like they do whenever they have cards in other countries. Unfortunately there isn't the talent to really do so and there have been enough cards here now that it gets kind of old seeing the same old fighters again and again. Overall I think this card will be ok but I don't really predict much in the way of fireworks.
Yeah, I'm surprised by the lack of 'elite' Canadian fighters, there's GSP and Rory, everyone else is kind of mid-tier-ish. Nothing compared to Brazil who have three champs and guys like Barao, Machida, Shogun, Belfort, etc.
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Yeah, I'm surprised by the lack of 'elite' Canadian fighters, there's GSP and Rory, everyone else is kind of mid-tier-ish. Nothing compared to Brazil who have three champs and guys like Barao, Machida, Shogun, Belfort, etc.
Really its the same as Canada is in the majority of sports outside of Hockey. One or two top athletes but then just a bunch of mediocre guys.

I think it is mainly because although we are a huge nation our population is quite small(only ~ 35 mil, less then California) and the majority of our good athletes grow up playing hockey and choose that for a career.

I used to wonder the same thing about comparing us to Brazil but their population is over 6 times larger then ours and fighting is probably the most popular sport there outside of soccer.

It does surprise me that we don't have more top young prospects stepping up for the future but the only reason I can think of that explains that is that we only have the one high quality MMA gym in TriStar. The rest of the country is either forced to go train there or is stuck with mediocre training and doing small shows. That is even more of an issue with TriStar being in Quebec and having a large French presence(much of Canada especially the west do not care for the French/Quebec population).
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Old 11-03-2012, 04:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Dont buy it.
Way to contribute to the thread.

Anyways, I agree with the op. It's frustrating as a fight fan when you want to see JUST the main event but don't want to cough up $60 + tax just to see it. Sure it's always great seeing the other fights too, but not for that kind of money.

It's a bit disappointing. If one of the fighters gets injured it'll be UFC 151 all over again.
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I catch your drift, but unlike UFC 151, the co-main is here fairly awesome. For a shot at the WW title, no less.

I don't get why people are so offended by the 'don't buy it' retort. It really is that simple. You have the freedom to rant and rave about an event, but you also have the choice to not purchase it. Go to a bar and watch it for free. Stream it for free. Wait until the event is over and then download it for free. It's not as though you're being forced to buy a subpar event. The choice is entirely yours. And when there are literally a dozen no-cost alternatives, there's really no reason to lose sleep or shed tears.
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I catch your drift, but unlike UFC 151, the co-main is here fairly awesome. For a shot at the WW title, no less.

I don't get why people are so offended by the 'don't buy it' retort. It really is that simple. You have the freedom to rant and rave about an event, but you also have the choice to not purchase it. Go to a bar and watch it for free. Stream it for free. Wait until the event is over and then download it for free. It's not as though you're being forced to buy a subpar event. The choice is entirely yours. And when there are literally a dozen no-cost alternatives, there's really no reason to lose sleep or shed tears.
Yes but the discussion is not whether or not we are going to PAY for the event. The discussion is purely based on whether on you think it's a weak card.

We know we don't have to buy it and won't. It's just SO obvious. It's like "Thanks Captain Obvious".
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Yes but the discussion is not whether or not we are going to PAY for the event. The discussion is purely based on whether on you think it's a weak card.

We know we don't have to buy it and won't. It's just SO obvious. It's like "Thanks Captain Obvious".
Actually, it is. The OP ended his rant with, 'I know many of you illegally stream the event, but I have morals and actually buy everything I watch...' He therefore brought payment into the equation. A natural and entirely valid reaction to his final point would be, 'If you don't like it, don't pay for it'.
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