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Old 11-05-2012, 12:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
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So....who is gonna test Jones?

Gustaffson? Davis? Glover? The guy that nearly died from cutting weight in the Olympics? Do tell.
Who knows. Those guys are actually 205ers or in Cormier's case a HW coming down. They aren't the 4th best MW and the 2nd best MW.

Anderson beat both Vitor and Sonnen at 185. I don't want to see these guys fighting for the title at an even higher weight.

Say Bisping loses to Belfort. And Anderson beats Weidman. What would we start saying if he started fighting Condit and Johnny Hendricks at 185 after they lose to GSP at 170. What exactly would the outrage level be from the people who don't care for Anderson?

I don't think they beat Jones. But I'd rather he fight Hendo, Gustaf, maybe Machida again before he "supposedly" wants to go to HW at the end of 2013....instead of Chael Sonnen...to me it is a wasted fight. Even more wasted that they will have months of a reality show to get through. Chael had trouble taking Bisping down. ANderson stuffed him twice in the last round they fought. What is his plan vs. Jones?

You may not. But I think Cormier has a decent shot at beating Jones if he can make 205 no problem. He says he can, so I believe him. Jones makes no sense though. He said Chael isn't going to talk his way into a shot...then he lets him. After he says how Cormier isn't going to make a name off him and doesn't deserve a 205 shot. Makes no sense. Just another example of Bones' fakeness and flip flopping mentality.

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Old 11-05-2012, 12:39 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Who knows. Those guys are actually 205ers or in Cormier's case a HW coming down. They aren't the 4th best MW and the 2nd best MW.

Anderson beat both Vitor and Sonnen at 185. I don't want to see these guys fighting for the title at an even higher weight.

Say Bisping loses to Belfort. And Anderson beats Weidman. What would we start saying if he started fighting Condit and Johnny Hendricks at 185 after they lose to GSP at 170. What exactly would the outrage level be from the people who don't care for Anderson?

I don't think they beat Jones. But I'd rather he fight Hendo, Gustaf, maybe Machida again before he "supposedly" wants to go to HW at the end of 2013....instead of Chael Sonnen...to me it is a wasted fight. Even more wasted that they will have months of a reality show to get through. Chael had trouble taking Bisping down. ANderson stuffed him twice in the last round they fought. What is his plan vs. Jones?

You may not. But I think Cormier has a decent shot at beating Jones if he can make 205 no problem. He says he can, so I believe him. Jones makes no sense though. He said Chael isn't going to talk his way into a shot...then he lets him. After he says how Cormier isn't going to make a name off him and doesn't deserve a 205 shot. Makes no sense. Just another example of Bones' fakeness and flip flopping mentality.
Rampage, Shogun, Rashad, and Machida are also 205'ers, former champs at that weight and Jones apparently hasn't been tested.

That, or he's just as good as he's looked against four of the best of all time, it's not like they're 36 and broken down, just two years ago they were the four best Light Heavyweights on the planet. Machida and Rashad are still in their primes as clearly evidenced by the way he schooled Phil Davis in every aspect of MMA and Jones beat them, fairly easily.

I don't know how Cormier does at 205, the guy nearly died from cutting weight so him at 205 isn't necessarily something I wanna see, likewise I don't know how well Jones does at Heavyweight, what I do know Jones is the best Light Heavyweight on his planet and his four fight win streak over Shogun, Rampage, Machida, and Rashad is more impressive than Anderson's 16 fight win streak altogether. For different reasons, no one in his weight class stepped up to fight him and now he's fighting Chael, who I love but fully expect to see get slaughtered in April. The UFC needs to get off PPV so we can get the fights like Jon Jones vs. Dan Henderson and they need to make Anderson defend his belt or surrender it.

In 2012, the Featherweight, Welterweight, and Middleweight Titles will have been defended once, the Bantamweight title will have been defended zero times that's half the belts in the UFC that will have only 1 or no title defenses, JDS(for whatever reason) and Jones will have only fought twice. Mighty Mouse just won the belt in September and Ben Henderson and those crooked ass judges that follow him around all across the ******* world will have been in action three times when it's all said and done. These titles being held up for TUF, Anderson wanting to be a politician is an absolute mess. I don't wanna see "super"fights I wanna see these titles and these divisions get a move on.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:23 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I never said he has never been tested to mean he hasn't fought good fighters. I meant he hasn't been close to being in trouble other than Belfort's armbar.

I happen to believe LHW gets overrated. Shogun is a huge name, but is not the same. Rampage is basically retired and hasn't KO'd anyone since UFC 92 in 2008. Vitor was a 185er...not even a top 3 MW really. Machida is a tough out for anyone and still in his physical prime. That was a good win. But again, Machida is a glorified 185er. He would probably move down if ANderson wasn't the champion there.

Jones IS the best LHW on the planet. By far. He probably WILL go to HW at some point in the next 2 years. That is WHY I would like to see him fight guys who have done well at 205 and who have upside. Sonnen is a mouth with wrestling. But not good enough wrestling to take Jones down at will.

I understand the whole money angle. That is why they are doing this. I just find it funny that Jones says who is worthy..Machida and Cormier weren't/aren't according to him. But while he may not of said Sonnen is worthy...he was worthy enough to accept the fight. After he said he wouldn't let Chael snake his way in. Jones flip flops every month. And to say Machida/Cormier aren't worthy is a joke when he is doing a reality with Chael getting a shot.

Some fighters are hurt or have been. They aren't agreeing to fight undeserving smaller weight fighters and telling 205ers or undefeated HWs that they are not worthy. Or is it a direct example of how sad the 205 division is? So sad that they have to bring in Belfort and Sonnen to fight for the title. Guys who were finished at 185 by Anderson.

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Old 11-05-2012, 02:02 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I never said he has never been tested to mean he hasn't fought good fighters. I meant he hasn't been close to being in trouble other than Belfort's armbar.

I happen to believe LHW gets overrated. Shogun is a huge name, but is not the same. Rampage is basically retired and hasn't KO'd anyone since UFC 92 in 2008. Vitor was a 185er...not even a top 3 MW really. Machida is a tough out for anyone and still in his physical prime. That was a good win. But again, Machida is a glorified 185er. He would probably move down if ANderson wasn't the champion there.

Jones IS the best LHW on the planet. By far. He probably WILL go to HW at some point in the next 2 years. That is WHY I would like to see him fight guys who have done well at 205 and who have upside. Sonnen is a mouth with wrestling. But not good enough wrestling to take Jones down at will.

I understand the whole money angle. That is why they are doing this. I just find it funny that Jones says who is worthy..Machida and Cormier weren't/aren't according to him. But while he may not of said Sonnen is worthy...he was worthy enough to accept the fight. After he said he wouldn't let Chael snake his way in. Jones flip flops every month. And to say Machida/Cormier aren't worthy is a joke when he is doing a reality with Chael getting a shot.

Some fighters are hurt or have been. They aren't agreeing to fight undeserving smaller weight fighters and telling 205ers or undefeated HWs that they are not worthy. Or is it a direct example of how sad the 205 division is? So sad that they have to bring in Belfort and Sonnen to fight for the title. Guys who were finished at 185 by Anderson.
Jones probably isn't in any position to turn down any more fights after he cancelled a card the last time he did it, I think that whole situation lies on Dana and the match makers, Dana is the one who acted like a child and punished Henderson for getting injured(which is beyond ludicrous) and Machida for not wanting to fight Jones on short notice for the second time, which is equally as baffling.

The only people the UFC are hurting is themselves because mainstream media and sponsors won't look at them seriously, but it's like I said, these Middleweights are working hard, putting in the time but the Middleweight Champ has no interest in defending the belt so why is he allowed to keep it and clog up a division, when quite a few of the divisions are being held up due to injuries.
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What the hell has he been saying for the past year??
Didnt he recently have an interview that was somewhat singing a different tune??? Or did i imagine that....


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Jones probably isn't in any position to turn down any more fights after he cancelled a card the last time he did it, I think that whole situation lies on Dana and the match makers, Dana is the one who acted like a child and punished Henderson for getting injured(which is beyond ludicrous) and Machida for not wanting to fight Jones on short notice for the second time, which is equally as baffling.

The only people the UFC are hurting is themselves because mainstream media and sponsors won't look at them seriously, but it's like I said, these Middleweights are working hard, putting in the time but the Middleweight Champ has no interest in defending the belt so why is he allowed to keep it and clog up a division, when quite a few of the divisions are being held up due to injuries.

Naw its not ludicrous. Dana needs to make a point that fighters cant be injured for 3-4 weeks and wait till the last week to pull out. And other then Chaels report i havent seen anything saying that the Doctors didnt let him fight. More so that the doctors told him he shouldn't fight. But either way if you have a injury that you shouldn't be going in to the octagon with then you let Dana know of that ASAP so he can start looking for a replacement in case you pull out. Alot of people on this forum still live in fairy tale land so they wont understand this.
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I do know Jones is the best Light Heavyweight on his planet...
I can respect that.

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...and his four fight win streak over Shogun, Rampage, Machida, and Rashad is more impressive than Anderson's 16 fight win streak altogether.

That, I can´t.
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Naw its not ludicrous. Dana needs to make a point that fighters cant be injured for 3-4 weeks and wait till the last week to pull out. And other then Chaels report i havent seen anything saying that the Doctors didnt let him fight. More so that the doctors told him he shouldn't fight. But either way if you have a injury that you shouldn't be going in to the octagon with then you let Dana know of that ASAP so he can start looking for a replacement in case you pull out. Alot of people on this forum still live in fairy tale land so they wont understand this.
Fighters fight hurt all the time, that's still no reason to punish him, even so, if you're gonna punish him atleast give the title shot to Gustaffson if he beats Shogun.

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That, I can´t.
Who exactly has Anderson beat that is on the level of Shogun, Rampage, Machida, and Rashad?

Forrest, that's it.
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Fighters fight hurt all the time, that's still no reason to punish him, even so, if you're gonna punish him atleast give the title shot to Gustaffson if he beats Shogun.
I agree with you. But Henderson didnt fight hurt. He backed out of a very important main event the week before the fight. And he didnt get injured a week before the fight. You see the problem right??? And again... other then Chael no one has said that the doctors forced him out of the fight. Iv seen Hamill go in to a fight with a staph infection right on his spine. Iv seen fighters go in to fights with broken bones. Torn ligaments... So if i logically think about it id have to say that if Dan didnt want to pull out he wouldnt have had to.

AND lets say he was forced out of the fight. That still put the UFC in a horrible position. And they need to learn it is not okay to be in a Main Event and be injured 3 weeks ahead of time but pull out the week before (whether forced or not forced). If Henderson let Dana White know of the injury when it happened maybe the event would have went on.

And he didnt get punished greatly. Just he has to get 1 more win for that title shot. All in all i find it to be fair given the circumstances.
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Didnt he recently have an interview that was somewhat singing a different tune??? Or did i imagine that...
What different tune are you talking about? All he said was that the fight might happen, but he has always reiterated that he has had no interest in fighting JBJ.
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Just ******* say you dont want to fight the guy.... no need to make stupid comments.
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He's been saying that a lot, and right from the beginning. Now that he keep getting asked the same stupid question over and over he is answering it with some humor.

Here's just one example, Dana said this:

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He's been saying he doesn't want this fight from the beginning.

He's humoring the dim-witted media, the internet trolls and his dunce of a boss, who is basically a glorified troll with rich friends.
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