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So then what is the difference between some pre-workout or muscle recovery powder and marijuana? It sounds like your saying they do the exact same things. And I don't see how smoking would give you an advantage in a fitness training contest, if the guy is more fit than you then he's going to beat you whether he smokes or not.
1: the difference is that supplements are artificial and not as strong, to get as strong of an effect you would need to take an unhealthy amount of supplement to match
2: of course someone more fit than me would win, but if we started training at an equal fitness level I would have an extreme advantage because I can literally run until my body gives out. It takes out the mental barriers completely, sometimes I have to stop myself from continuing when I still have the desire because my body is saying I've pushed passed the point of positive returns. The heightened sense of self-awareness creates an unfair advantage is all I'm saying. Guys like Nick Diaz have the same experience as me, it feels like an adrenalin and morphine shot that gives you a massive boost of energy.

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Lol Rampage is so bitter. "Idon't follow MMA". His opinion was logical at least.

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funny thing is I disagree with them when they say marijuana isn't a performance enhancing drug. I smoke weed all the time and go to the gym and I can workout way harder and way longer when I'm high by a significant factor, it's easier to regulate your bodies rhythms and ignore the voice that tells you to quit when you are high so you can get more energy out.

It's why guys like Nick Diaz can train for triathlons, so I can definitely understand why it's a restricted drug. Put me in a fitness training contest with someone who doesn't smoke and I already have a huge advantage, it doesn't work like that for everyone but for some people it does and it creates an unfair advantage when it helps the person train. Some would say it wrecks your cardio and slows your mind, which isn't true if you are an active person. Weed tends to make some people lazy, but if it doesn't then it's unfair. Sure it wouldn't be best to smoke up before a fight because it can slow your reaction time, but in training it helps a lot.
I'm not gonna say this does not work for you, because I truly believe it does. But the big difference between marijuana and a PED is that PED enhance baseline physical performance, and marijuana does not.

Perhaps the THC affects you mentally in a way that helps you block out your body telling you to quit and you can push yourself harder, but that isn't the way it affects everyone, in fact I would argue that most people feel heightened sensation to pain and lack of motivation.

When I personally smoke weed, which I do very often, it makes me very relaxed. So much so that if a friend slaps me or gives me a Charlie horse I almost always have a "waking up" sensation in which my relaxation is shattered and the pain feels shocking and more intense. On top of that I have very little motivation to do anything physical when I smoke weed. I would much rather curl up with a beer and some pizza. The only time I can muster up the motivation to pick up some weights is when I have not been smoking weed.

Anyways, the point is that, unlike most PEDs, the affect of marijuana on your brain (ie motivation levels, pain levels etc) is a personal thing. I would much rather drink a huge coffee and go pound the weights than smoke a joint. Maybe you are the opposite. The fact is it isn't a consistent affect.


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Lol Rampage is so bitter. "Idon't follow MMA". His opinion was logical at least.



I'm not gonna say this does not work for you, because I truly believe it does. But the big difference between marijuana and a PED is that PED enhance baseline physical performance, and marijuana does not.

Perhaps the THC affects you mentally in a way that helps you block out your body telling you to quit and you can push yourself harder, but that isn't the way it affects everyone, in fact I would argue that most people feel heightened sensation to pain and lack of motivation.

When I personally smoke weed, which I do very often, it makes me very relaxed. So much so that if a friend slaps me or gives me a Charlie horse I almost always have a "waking up" sensation in which my relaxation is shattered and the pain feels shocking and more intense. On top of that I have very little motivation to do anything physical when I smoke weed. I would much rather curl up with a beer and some pizza. The only time I can muster up the motivation to pick up some weights is when I have not been smoking weed.

Anyways, the point is that, unlike most PEDs, the affect of marijuana on your brain (ie motivation levels, pain levels etc) is a personal thing. I would much rather drink a huge coffee and go pound the weights than smoke a joint. Maybe you are the opposite. The fact is it isn't a consistent affect.
I agree that it's different for everyone and that most people become lethargic and unmotivated, the only thing is that someone who is going to smoke up then workout is doing it because of the performance enhancing effects. I smoke up (well I vaporize) before 10ks and it's the only way I can get under 40 minutes, nobody is going to be doing it without knowing of it's performance enhancing capabilities.
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I can't argue with that. There really is a lot we still don't know. I have textbooks from only 8 years ago with information that has been proven false already.

I will say one thing though: they can tell if it is active in an athletes system or a metabolite from previous use. I still don't think previous use should be punished, but I can't say I have any evidence that disproves benefits while training. The question going forward would be are these benefits significant enough to have marijuana use at any time barred from the sport. After all there are many legal PED that can be bought OFC.


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Sometimes I think Jeff Monson had a point when he said if they really wanted to make the sport fair and even for all they need to just open the door and let everyone have a pass.




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- Rampage actually had a really sound opinion when it came to marijuana usage in general. It's an herb from the earth, and anything is harmful when abused. He needs to quit being so bitter about his job though. We get it Rampage. You don't like MMA. You compete because you have to not because you want to.

- Tyrone Spong seems like a nice, funny guy. I lol'd at his comment "I'm from Amsterdam!"

- Travis Browne was hard to listen to. I haven't seen/listened to someone so bad and inarticulate infront of a camera since the Diaz brothers.

- What the **** is going on with Eddie's eyebrows...?
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Sometimes I think Jeff Monson had a point when he said if they really wanted to make the sport fair and even for all they need to just open the door and let everyone have a pass.
That would get them no where, promoting the use of steroids? That's suicide for any sports organization trying to legitimize itself.

The simple thing to do is, ban the roiders for life and do random testing.

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