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Old 11-07-2012, 04:15 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:17 PM   #42 (permalink)
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AJ.. isnt that the guy Koscheck outstruck?? LOL
I'm assuming you are supporting my argument?
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This question ends up being really problematic because what we end up doing is talking about a really one-dimensional fighter [i.e. Guillard, Maia. etc.] and then give them another dimension and say "that would make him a lot better."

That's true, but it is very difficult to look at those features in such general terms; getting more specific about the things that these guys continually do wrong, then we can get somewhere in looking at what needs to happen for these guys to make it to the top tier.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:26 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I'm assuming you are supporting my argument?
Oh yes very much.

AJ is a elite fighter when he is fighting C level fighters. When he fights B level fighters he is already very much hit/miss. And when he fights Elite fighters he gets tooled in every aspect.

AJ has absolutely nothing for GSP except KO power. GSP is more technically sound then him, GSP would force him to gas in the first round, GSP could take him down at will.

Really that fight is nothing more then the old and very familiar "AJ has a punchers chance" type fight. And thats a slim one since GSP wouldn't allow himself to be hit in the face. With AJ so focused on not being taken down GSP would get the better of him standing. AJ didnt want to stand up with Dan Hardy and he got beat up standing vs Koscheck who just throws without being very technically sound.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:25 PM   #45 (permalink)
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If Matt Hughes had some striking he would still be up there in the ranks.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:54 PM   #46 (permalink)
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If Matt Hughes had some striking he would still be up there in the ranks.
Sadly when he was looking his most fluid against Josh Koscheck and Almeida he was shot to bits, he got the last piece of the puzzle to late.

It sounds like you think his skills are why he is not up there right now, i would put it all down to age honestly - Hughes was a beast and would be a handful for any WW around now in his prime. With the striking of his later days and everything else of his prime he would tool anyone around not called George St Pierre.
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This question ends up being really problematic because what we end up doing is talking about a really one-dimensional fighter [i.e. Guillard, Maia. etc.] and then give them another dimension and say "that would make him a lot better."

That's true, but it is very difficult to look at those features in such general terms; getting more specific about the things that these guys continually do wrong, then we can get somewhere in looking at what needs to happen for these guys to make it to the top tier.
uh, cool. Can you maybe start us off in the right direction then or are you just going to tell all of us we are barking up the wrong tree then leave?
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AJ.. isnt that the guy Koscheck outstruck?? LOL
You must be joking. In what way did Koscheck out strike Johnson? It's not like Koscheck was winning the stand-up and just decided that "Welp, I'm just gonna take him down". He was getting rocked, and he needed to get takedowns in order to expose Johnsons weakness, otherwise, he was probably going to get KO'd.

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I highly disagree. GSP is much, much quicker then AJ in just about every way possible. He certainly snaps that jab out there much faster and is plenty fast enough to negate a 2 inch reach disadvantage. AJ has the power to end the fight but if he were fighting GSP he would be winded after round 1 and too slow to even come close to being able to KO GSP after that. I don't think the fight would even be remotely comptetive. GSP would do anything and everything he wanted to do and AJ wouldn't be able to stop it. Especially if he were cutting down to 170, after getting put on his back one time all his hopes would be over. By the end of the fight GSP would be running circles around AJ.
As much as I'm with you on GSP, I think you're highly underrating Johnsons stand-up. If that fight ever comes to fruition, we'll see what happens, but it this point we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:21 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Johnson is a LHW, so why are people here discussing him fighting St. Pierre anyways¿ He has no business at 170 at all. He missed weight 4 (four!) times (including missing weight at MW twice), that's missing weight in more than a 1/4 of his fights below LHW.
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uh, cool. Can you maybe start us off in the right direction then or are you just going to tell all of us we are barking up the wrong tree then leaf?
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