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Seriously why can't tuff have hw or lhw

3K views 31 replies 16 participants last post by  Killz 
#1 ·
I'm sick and tired of tuff doing 185 on down.

Look I love the lower weight classes. And yes. heavy weight is filled with fat, sloppy, over paid clumbst oafs.

I get that, but seriously it's good enough for a dying reality show. Sure you don't wanna do hw anymore, fine.

Why can't we have a lhw season of tuff? When was the last time this happened? Season3?
 
#2 ·
Season 8 was the last LHW season,

Ryan Bader, Jules Bruchez, Kyle Kingsbury, Shane Primm, Tom Lawlor, Vinny Magalhães, Eliot Marshall, Krzysztof Soszynski, Antwain Britt, Lance Evans, Karn Grigoryan, Jason Guida, Ryan Jimmo, Ryan Lopez, Eric Magee, Sean O'Connell, Mike Stewart.

They don't do those seasons for two reasons

1. The fights are terrible.
2. The talent pool is too shallow, if you are good enough to make it on the show you are good enough for a shot in the UFC.
 
#10 ·
The cardio issue. Many of the guys on TUF can't afford to train and fight full time and because of this they are not high level UFC caliber athletes. That is to be expected and is really unavoidable. Smaller guys though generally have better cardio which means they don't gas out as easily. That makes the fights look better on TV especially to people who are channel flipping and without a lot of reference points they likely don't realize they are smaller (the UFC uses a smaller cage for TUF).


Also please don't double post, if you want to add something edit it in.
 
#11 ·
My apoligies but as for 170 and 185 we've seen lots and lots of people gas hard on the show. It happens every season far more than once. It happened this season.

The talent was there for the cruz vs faber division but that's basically because at 125 the ufc can get the pick of the litter for practically nothing at this point.

at 155, 170, 185... its pretty slim pickings. there just cheap slim pickings.
 
#12 ·
I'd like to just throw in that another problem is people actually being the right weight class. Like Rashad Evans won as a HW, which is laughable, because as soon as he could he went to his right weight class. He wasn't the only guy there who wasn't a real HW, they just put on the pounds or didn't weight cut to get on the show. At the lighter weights it happens, but not as much.
 
#13 ·
Not as much? Ross Pearson, Danzig, Brookins, That's 3 of the top of my head. Joe Stevenson, Deigo sanchez at middle weight..

Why is it laughable? How about a russian middle weight running the pride heavy weight division for several years?

Yeah heavy weights are lacking. Still don't see why we can't have a lhw division.
 
#15 ·
I'm gonna go with the cardio thing. Th TUF HW season was unbearable to watch at times. No one wants to see two gassed out fat guys stumble around a ring or laying on each other. It doesn't make for a good fight and certainly doesn't draw in new fans who are channel surfing.

Does that mean all the lighter weight class fights are exciting? No, but to the average viewer it at least looks more like you are watching two athletes in a semi professional fight, instead of a freak show with two fat guys struggling to breath.
 
#16 ·
Not to mention we're seeing guys lumber through.

So a skinnny guy huffing and puffing wheezing for breath after promising for a whole season he was gonna fight for his family sucks with a fury of all 9 hells,

and that's suppose to be good t.v?

Least fat guys on tuff tend to be funny.
 
#23 · (Edited)
And I understand, Cub has started to pull it together against such high level talents like george the poop scoop roop. (I Kid... kinda).

Cub for the longest time had the title as thee single worst fighter on team greg jackson. he was right up there with the dream smasher.

and against D-C level talent (roop being a d-, I could be cool with Ross being called C+) he's shinning.

that still doesn't change the fact Cub, despite having the best gym in the world, all the youth in the world, lost to Jen's pulver when Jen's was in free fall.

Ross Peirson was seriously going places before losing to Swanson. now he has to play the "i'm from England card." and get a coaching job on tuff when before he was a legit contender.

Is it hate? It's true. I've become Cubs fan lately, but I'm skeptical.

And that's another thing I refuse to beleive we can't find a hw or at least a lhw as good a roop. COME ON!
 
#25 ·
I apoligize in advance for the impending snarky remark but it's doubtful and I'll tell you why. tuff champions cut down a weight.

If they have a fly weight champion he wouldn't have any where left to go? I think that's the main hope I have for a Heavy weight division. we might get some real LHW contenders off a HW tuff. I swear I love the smaller weight classes to death. But LHW right now is missing alot. LIke alot, alot. Hell it's sending up middle weights to bid for the title.

A little growth not only couldn't hurt, it's needed badly.
 
#26 · (Edited)
It's so interesting how if you don't like 135 lbs and below fights you 'aren't a real fan' but if you dismiss heavyweights as garbage fighters, you're just being realistic.

While 135 lbs fighters tend to have no power, 265 lbs fighters tend to have bad cardio. It just comes with the territory.

And I thought the fights on the HW seasons we've had so far were easily on par with any other season.

The real reason is there are so few HWs (due to the fact, unlike lighter fighters, they actually have other career paths open to them) that if you are good enough for TUF, you're good enough for the UFC anyway. No need for the extended tryout since you aren't competing with as many guys.

There are literally millions of little 135 lbs guys trying to be MMA fighters, just go to any liquor store on a Friday night and you'll meet 100 of them. Heavy guys tend to be doing other, more profitable things than MMA... Like being garbage men.
 
#27 ·
It's so interesting how if you don't like 135 lbs and below fights you 'aren't a real fan' but if you dismiss heavyweights as garbage fighters, you're just being realistic.
I'm really, really, really, trying not to say manlet midget mma. I lover the lower weight classes because the represent TALENT!
the last few seasons for the most part have been lacking talent (baring ufc brazil).

While 135 lbs fighters tend to have no power, 265 lbs fighters tend to have bad cardio. It just comes with the territory.
It comes when people with 185 pound frames walk around 50 or more pounds heavy.


The real reason is there are so few HWs (due to the fact, unlike lighter fighters, they actually have other career paths open to them) that if you are good enough for TUF, you're good enough for the UFC anyway. No need for the extended tryout since you aren't competing with as many guys.
Nonsense many washed up football players try mma.

There are literally millions of little 135 lbs guys trying to be MMA fighters, just go to any liquor store on a Friday night and you'll meet 100 of them. Heavy guys tend to be doing other, more profitable things than MMA... Like being garbage men.
so there no hungry talented 200 pound guys in Rio for example who can fight?
 
#29 ·
I wish they would drop the reality TV bull shit and turn the show into an actual tournament to see who gets into the UFC. Cut all of the sob stories, pranks, etc.. and replace that with useful information like techniques the guys have learned.

But, of course that would never happen. It makes too much sense and there wouldn't be enough ratings.
 
#30 ·
You might not be far off. the ratings have been awful, and while some people blame the talent pool, I blame the fact that the reality part is repetitive and worn out. We have all seen people act like idiots in front of cameras, and I think the average mma fan, who is the only one watching this, has become tired of that crap.

The model is broken.
 
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