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post #21 of 43 (permalink) Old 11-09-2012, 11:48 AM
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Hendo has such an odd way of moving that I wonder if it will throw Machida off at all?

This should be an easy win for Lyoto, but I never count Hendo out. Everyone knows that big punch is coming and it still manages to find its target.
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Though I think Machida will win; this fight could be interesting. Both are a bit non conventional and both have KO power.
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Henderson will bang Machida with one of them rights and it will be all over, Machida can be timed as Rua showed - Henderson has underrated timing.
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Henderson will bang Machida with one of them rights and it will be all over, Machida can be timed as Rua showed - Henderson has underrated timing.
He has amazing timing.

Not sure why so many people are saying Machida by a mile. It could happen, as Machida is quick as hell and could make Hendo look slow.

But who has this "new Machida" fought? He beat a crusty Randy Couture with 1 leg into retirement before the fight was made. He beat the GREAT Ryan Bader. Beforehand he lost a dec. to Rampage.

If anyone is being overrated here it is Machida. Hendo isn't Ryan Bader.

Styles make fight. And Machida's style may very well be hard for Hendo to figure out.

But surprised to see so many people write off Hendo when he has been on one of the better runs of any LHW not named Jon Jones. When he destroys Shogun for the first 3 rounds it wasn't anything special. Giving 20lbs in size he was the first ever to KO Fedor. Knocked the F out of Feijao a 10 top or near top 10 LHW with good stand up. Those aren't special.

But Machida's win over Ryan Bader and Randy Couture were some how impressive as hell.

Weird.
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He has amazing timing.

Not sure why so many people are saying Machida by a mile. It could happen, as Machida is quick as hell and could make Hendo look slow.

But who has this "new Machida" fought? He beat a crusty Randy Couture with 1 leg into retirement before the fight was made. He beat the GREAT Ryan Bader. Beforehand he lost a dec. to Rampage.

If anyone is being overrated here it is Machida. Hendo isn't Ryan Bader.

Styles make fight. And Machida's style may very well be hard for Hendo to figure out.

But surprised to see so many people write off Hendo when he has been on one of the better runs of any LHW not named Jon Jones. When he destroys Shogun for the first 3 rounds it wasn't anything special. Giving 20lbs in size he was the first ever to KO Fedor. Knocked the F out of Feijao a 10 top or near top 10 LHW with good stand up. Those aren't special.

But Machida's win over Ryan Bader and Randy Couture were some how impressive as hell.

Weird.
Their performances speak for themselves.

Henderson was dropped by Feijao, Shogun, and Fedor. Certainly no pillow fisted strikers in that group but while he was getting dropped, Machida's last two wins have been flawless and he was the first guy to tag Jones where as many feel Jones/Hendo would be extremely one sided and Henderson would have no success at all against him.

For me though, the match up speaks for itself. Hendo's strategy isn't a big secret but I don't believe he has the cardio or speed to stay with Machida. It has nothing to do with one guy being over hyped or overrated I just think Hendo is tailor made for Machida.

I myself would love to see Machida take this one to the ground and try and wear him out and get a submission which I think he can do, I think he'd sail through Hendo if he did that and thus he would eliminate Henderson's only real chance(s) of winning.

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How good do people think he is? A top 4 LHW? Why isn't he not "nearly" as good as that? Humor me.

Put Jones, Rashad, and Machida ahead of him. Who else? Hoow is he nearly not that good? What do you have him 9th with no shot at beating a top LHW? When last time out he destroyed a top 3 LHW at the time? You make it sound like people think he is the best LHW out there. No one does.

What is this nonsense?

Common sense seems to be lacking here.

Maybe he will. Pretty bold statement to say a guy who has never been TKO'd/KO'd in a decade of fights will "probably" get KO'd.
He got rocked against Feijao, Fedor and Shogun. Machida is a lot better than any of them at this juncture.

Dan won't be able to take Machida down or clinch with him at all, and he is way out of his league on the feet.

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One problem for Machida, I don't think he has the one-shot KO power to put Hendo in trouble, and if Hendo recognizes that and fights accordingly it's going to be a lot closer than most people think. Machida needs to play it smart and stay the hell away from the fence, which he should be able to do with his speed and footwork. If he gets careless and caught against the fence, he's going to be eating a ton of big punches. He doesn't have Shogun's toughness and ability to soak up damage so if that happens he's going to be in a ton of trouble.
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He got rocked against Feijao, Fedor and Shogun. Machida is a lot better than any of them at this juncture.

Dan won't be able to take Machida down or clinch with him at all, and he is way out of his league on the feet.

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I have Machida losing to Shogun (again), Feijao and possibly Fedor.

The H-bomb is being stupidly under rated here. He isn't your generic wrestle boxer like Josh koscheck or Jake Ellenberger, Hendo has outstanding timing with that right hand and ALWAYS finds a way to land it flush at some point in a fight.

He doesn't need to take Machida down, and he certainly isn't out of his league on the feet. Hendo has fought better strikers than Machida and beaten them.

People are using Hendo getting rocked in his past few points as some kind of indicator for Machida knocking him out. lol. Hendo gets rocked often because like Nick Diaz and Eddie Alvarez, he throws no caution to the wind and swings for the fences. From the opening bell until the last. Hendo has proven to have fantastic recovery like the Nick Diaz's and Eddie Alvarez's of this sport. I'll eat my under wear if Machida KO's Hendo, I really will.

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Machida has shown serious weakness for the overhand in the past. Shogun landed it a ton in the first fight and hurt him a couple times and dropped him in the second fight. Rampages on real success was his overhand Jones hurt him with a big right before he dropped him with an overhand left to set up the finish.

Who is better than Henderson at landing the huge overhand?

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It's not that his striking is that much worse than Lyoto's, or that Lyoto's is that better than the other fighters Hendo has faced- its' that Lyoto's striking/timing/movement is so much different than those other guys.

It's been said plenty, but I'll say it again: it's got to be tough finding a guy to train with who can effectively emulate what Lyoto does in the Octagon.

I'm predicting Hendo to get wrecked by Lyoto, and I suspect it's gonna' look a lot like the Bader fight in terms of speed, technique,and outcome:

Hendo will be damaged by a shot he doesn't see/expect, and he won't recover.

TKO victory for Lyoto here.

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