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Georges St-Pierre 52 72.22%
Carlos Condit 20 27.78%
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:43 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The whole reason Condit fought Diaz the way he did was because he was broken mentally long before the fight started.

He knew in his heart of hearts, or someone he trusts convinced him, that he would need to employ a drastically different and frankly underwhelming strategy to CONTROVERSIALLY WIN ON POINTS for that fight. It was a terrible fight and complete waste of Nick Diaz' time. Condit cannot afford to do that again and when he tries to turn it up on GSP he will be outclassed, just like he was every time he decided not to turn and run when Nick Diaz attacked him.

GSP vs Diaz is the real skill FIGHT in this division right now.
You're essentially claiming that fighters who gameplan are mentally weak, which is honestly pretty absurd. Some of the greatest fighters that this SPORT has ever seen are also some of the best tacticians and strategists as well.

Condit knew that Nick's gameplan was to walk him into the cage and throw punches the entire fight. Why on EARTH would Condit allow himself to be sucked into such a simple strategy that he could easily avoid? Do you think Condit is stupid or something? I've gone over this countless times before but this is a SPORT and it is absolutely NOT a fight. In a sport, you use tactics and strategy to gain an advantage over your opponent. Can you imagine football, basketball, or even hockey without teams running set plays or using a certain strategy to gain an advantage? Condit knew Diaz was going to try and close the distance and get him against the cage, where Diaz would have the advantage. So Condit pushed Diaz off and went to the center, where HE would have the advantage, just like any logical human being would have done.


By the way, Condit kept his composure every time Diaz taunted him and made an absolute mockery of the SPORT. And if you want to call Condit mentally broken, look at who acted like a damn two year old after the fight. Hell, look at how Diaz has reacted after every one of his recent losses. Starting fights after fights, in hospitals, throwing tantrums...I've rarely seen grown men throw fits like that, especially someone who claims to be a martial artist, but that's just it. Men of honor like Condit, St. Pierre, Velasquez even your buddy Mauricio Rua are martial artists. Manchildren like Nick Diaz and Quinton Jackson are fighters.

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Sometimes I want to say Condit can pull off a convincing win and silence all the doubters with this fight, but then I'm like...
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You're essentially claiming that fighters who gameplan are mentally weak, which is an absolutely asinine statement. Some of the greatest fighters that this SPORT has ever seen are also some of the best tacticians and strategists as well.

As for your second statement, again, your throwing shit out of your diaper for everyone to smell and as usual your shit reeks. Condit knew that Nick's gameplan was to walk him into the cage and throw punches the entire fight. Why on EARTH would Condit allow himself to be sucked into such a simple strategy that he could easily avoid? Do you think Condit is stupid, or are you THAT biased? I've gone over this countless times before but this is a SPORT and it is absolutely NOT a fight. In a sport, you use tactics and strategy to gain an advantage over your opponent. Can you imagine football, basketball, or even hockey without teams running set plays or using a certain strategy to gain an advantage? Condit knew Diaz was going to try and close the distance and get him against the cage, where Diaz would have the advantage. So Condit pushed Diaz off and went to the center, where HE would have the advantage, just like any logical human being would have done. I'm sooooo sorry that your little Diaz got outsmarted and outclassed by a better fighter, a better man, and a better gameplan. But you need to get the hell over it.



By the way, Condit kept his composure every time Diaz taunted him and made an absolute mockery of the SPORT. And if you want to call Condit mentally broken, look at who acted like a damn two year old after the fight. Hell, look at how Diaz has reacted after every one of his recent losses. Starting fights after fights, in hospitals, throwing tantrums...I've rarely seen grown men throw fits like that, especially someone who claims to be a martial artist, but that's just it. Men of honor like Condit, St. Pierre, Velasquez even your buddy Mauricio Rua are martial artists. Manchildren like Nick Diaz and Quinton Jackson are fighters.
I haven't read this word for word but it looks pretty intense. All I know is I was talking about Carlos Condit, not anyone with a gameplan.

Which by the way is just about EVERYONE, rarely do you see as tragic an example as Condit's last fight.
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I haven't read this word for word but it looks pretty intense. All I know is I was talking about Carlos Condit, not anyone with a gameplan.

Which by the way is just about EVERYONE, rarely do you see as tragic an example as Condit's last fight.
Looking back on my post I could have used less colorful language and could have been more polite in my correspondance. For that, I sincerely apologize. (rep sent your way)

However, my arguement in general and my opinion of the fight still stand. I'm sorry but like it or not, what Condit used was a gameplan and it worked great. It won him four rounds against an opponent many thought he would lose to. You're looking at Condit/Diaz as a pure fight instead of a sport/contest, which is what it is. That's what I take an issue with. These are athletes liscensed by an athletic commission, not tough guys picked off the street.

Your arguement about Condit being mentally weak doesn't make much sense at all. At least to some degree I can understand your first argument, but Condit is not by any means mentally weak for altering his usual fighting style. That's called intelligence, not mental weakness.
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No. lmao

I don't know what's caused more arguments, Machida/Shogun or Condit/Diaz. I was on Sherdog during Machida/Shogun 1 and 2 and that was ten times worse than anything I've seen here for any fight.
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Looking back on my post I could have used less colorful language and could have been more polite in my correspondance. For that, I sincerely apologize. (rep sent your way)

However, my arguement in general and my opinion of the fight still stand. I'm sorry but like it or not, what Condit used was a gameplan and it worked great. It won him four rounds against an opponent many thought he would lose to. You're looking at Condit/Diaz as a pure fight instead of a sport/contest, which is what it is. That's what I take an issue with. These are athletes liscensed by an athletic commission, not tough guys picked off the street.

Your arguement about Condit being mentally weak doesn't make much sense at all. At least to some degree I can understand your first argument, but Condit is not by any means mentally weak for altering his usual fighting style. That's called intelligence, not mental weakness.
I'm not labeling Condit as mentally weak, for me he showed weakness in that particular fight. Interim title, main event, dangerous opponent... and he was a different fighter, in many people's opinions not for the better. Diaz can be emotional, he frustrated Nick and got the win... just. Will he have the same dilemma entering an even bigger fight, will he risk his reputation again?

The point of most martial arts is to disable your attacker, the quicker the better, the more damaging the better. UFC stands for Ultimate Fighting Championship. Fighting is a contest, there is no purer sport. Sure there are rules, but those rules are there purely so you can't inflict too much damage when doing the disabling bit.

People have different philosophies on what makes a good fighter and what wins fights, Condit did not care if he didn't hurt Diaz all night he just wanted to look busy and make contact in the safest ways possible. I don't respect that.

Fighting, sport, contest, martial arts, whatever you want to call it. Before the fight, they all say how they want to and will, finish the fight. Only afterwards is a decision victory so acceptable, when they and their team know they tried their best. Unfortunately Condit looked like he trained to get the nod, not the finish. That's obviously fine with some people, but I've trained in several disciplines and his tactics were hard to watch for me.
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Condit was exchanging with Diaz in round one. It wasn't until Diaz backed him on the cage and began to outclass him that Condit suddenly adopted a magical 'gameplan' that involved getting booed out of the building.

Really that`s a big part of why I`m so stoked about this fight. Condit is coming up against an actual gameplanner who is going to crush him and remind him why he used to be a balls to the wall scrapper. Because if you aren`t the absolute best in the world (Carlos isn`t) then game-planning actually just gets you booed and eventually cut.
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Condit is by far the most "versatile" striker that GSP has faced by far. That said, I don't think he'll be quicker or faster than GSP. I still see GSP peppering him with jabs early on which will lead to Condit trying to kick GSP's knees and that will be when he gets his ass tossed to the ground. I hope that the Jitz specialist they brought for Condit specializes in offensive jujitsu from his back because that's where Condit is going to be all night. There is NOBODY that can escape GSP's top control, he doesn't need to sub his opponent and he is skilled/strong enough to defend subs from the top while maintaining position.

After 3 rounds of hot love making on the ground and losing by points to GSP, Condit will prob come out with his Jon Jones imitation of unorthodox back fist/flying knee gambles.. This is the only time GSP will be exposed when Condit fights in full retard mode instead of a game plan. If the gamble fails (which it prob will) then he'll get tossed on the ground and get humped again and will have his cardio severely tested.

In the final championship round, if Condit is gassed he'll get peppered with strikes from a distance followed by a final take down and some more humpage. If Condit is not gassed, he'll gamble again and prob will get taken down and humped to death.

GSP by 5 rounds of sweet man love.
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