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Old 11-18-2012, 05:35 PM   #361 (permalink)
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The difference being that one fights at LHW often while the other has never left WW. I realize you're trying to make a point, but at least appreciate that there are differences between GSP vs. Silva and Silva vs. Jones. Silva just threw Stefan Bonnar - a large LHW - around like it was nothing. GSP would clearly be giving up more size to Anderson than Anderson would to Jones. I'm not saying it's an excuse, but treating GSP vs. Silva as similar to Silva vs. Jones is reaching.

Anyway, all of this is getting tiresome. If the fight happens, then great. Needless to say the contract won't be signed because of the bickering of a few fanboys on MMAF.
So because he is the most versatile fighter there is....we should penalize him?

Anderson at a catch of 178 would probably be in the cage at 200. GSP fighting at 178 would enter the cage at 190 or more.

Anderson give up way more reach to Jones than GSP gives up to Anderon.

Anderson is closer to Bones height than GSP is to Anderson's height.

SO 2 out of the 3 categories for measuring size point to GSP/Anderson being closer than Anderson/Bones.

We don't have to do this GSP fight. Thats fine. There would be a giant excuse anyway after. Old man Anderson, the best fighter to ever put on MMA gloves will go up in weight, not even a catch and fight the biggest phenom the sport has seen in some time if ever. Don't worry, old man Anderson will give us a superfight. No one else wants to give up anything. Almost 40 year old Anderson will be the one to sacrifice and man up. Don't worry.

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Old 11-18-2012, 05:48 PM   #362 (permalink)
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This whole excuse can be transferred to Silva/Jones potential match, but ppl normally feel so pitiful for "poor" small GSP, like he was handicapped or smth and not the outstanting athlete he is, ready for a good challenge. In the other hand, ppl tend to call Anderson a coward for not fighting Jones, a very impressive talented fighter, actually a HW cuting to LHW, being Anderson the eldest of the three by good margin. Needless to say nobody called nobody yet.

PS: I am also not interest in the Anderson/GSP fight for similar reasons, just bringing the point.
I agree 100% with everything you said.
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In the post-fight interview, they BOTH looked like somebody had hit them in the face, over and over and over. They also both spoke clearly and intelligently about the fight.

Somebody somewhere put this well. GSP didn't just win the mixed martial arts contest, he won the fight. But credit Condit, GSP is very good at winning mixed martial arts contests, and Condit got GSP into a you-will-have-many-many-bruises-in-the-morning fight.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:24 PM   #364 (permalink)
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Anyone notice how Greg Jackson didn't corner or train either. And the fight was real good. And both guys more or less went for it.

Not shocking, but yea thats what happened.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:56 PM   #365 (permalink)
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I'm not knocking GSP here, I know he came to fight and he did. I'm just saying that I think Carlos did more damage from the bottom than GSP did from the top and the reason GSP won was because of his top control. I even counted strikes on the ground in the later rounds and every round I come up with numbers that favor Condit. Even in this system right now I think you have to give 3 and 4 to Condit.
Strikes from the top will always score more and this is simply fair for the following reason: Nobody goes to a fight with a gameplan to strike from the bottom(strike I said, not sub).

GSP intended to stay on top and land strikes to the end so his plan worked.
In the other hand, Condit, although active, was kept in a position he did not want to be and he was unable to revert that decisively. So the strikes he landed from the bottom, although hurting GSP, were depicting his frustration, his inability to get up and highlighting the fact he was being overwhelmed. His strikes were plan B and would never finish GSP.

Who ever controls the fight and hold opponents down will be the winner in MMA and that's not about to change. Frustrating for some fighters and fans, but reality.
If strikes from the bottom were to score more points, Anderson would not have to worry about submitting Sonnen in their first bout, based in the carpaccio he turned Sonnen's face to by his strikes from the bottom.
Believe me, Anderson did not have a mark on his face after 4.5 rounds under Sonnen, but that was not the position he wanted to be, while Sonnen was in the exactly dominant position he wanted, throwing pillow punches, yes, but attacking anyway. So Anderson knew he needed to finish to win. Then he did...
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:18 PM   #366 (permalink)
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PS: I am also not interest in the Anderson/GSP fight for similar reasons, just bringing the point.
I shall rephrase to: I am interested in the fight, but the fact I believe Anderson is the favourite by far spoils my interest somehow.




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Strikes from the top will always score more and this is simply fair for the following reason: Nobody goes to a fight with a gameplan to strike from the bottom(strike I said, not sub).

GSP intended to stay on top and land strikes to the end so his plan worked.
In the other hand, Condit, although active, was kept in a position he did not want to be and he was unable to revert that decisively. So the strikes he landed from the bottom, although hurting GSP, were depicting his frustration, his inability to get up and highliting the fact he was being overwhelmed. His strikes were plan B and would never finish GSP.

Who ever controls the fight and hold his opponents down will be the winner in MMA and that's not about to change. Frustrating for some fighters and fans, but reality.
If strikes from the bottom were to score more points, Anderson would not have to worry about submitting Sonnen in their first bout, based in the carpaccio he turned Sonnen's face to by his strikes from the bottom.
Believe me, Anderson did not have a mark on his face after 4.5 rounds under Sonnen, but that was not the position he wanted to be, while Sonnen was in the exactly dominant position he wanted, throwing pillow punches, yes, but attacking anyway. So Anderson knew he needed to finish to win. Then he did...
Some people just bruise easier as well, but Condit was able to cut GSPs nose, both eyes and appear to give him a swollen lip as well.

That's not to say GSP didn't cut up Condit real bad either.

Also, I think some of that damage to GSP was done during some of the stand up exchanges towards the end of the fight, but GSP didn't let Condit keep it there long.

I said it in another thread, if fights were soley judged on damage alone, GSP could have very well lost. But he scored a lot of points in the judges eyes with the 7 takedowns and top control, and landing the more power shots.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:23 PM   #368 (permalink)
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Safe Mode

I want to make a general comment about what people call GSP in 'safe mode'.

Look at round five of the Condit fight.

'Safe mode' is, your arms are burning, you legs won't fire, your lungs can't find air, and those asshole in your corner keep yelling shit you're too goddamn tired to understand. What you DO understand is that the one person you CAN see will gladly decapitate you, AND he's proven he can.

SOME of you are fighters. Can you really criticize GSO for taking the 'control him, then try to knock him out' approach? If you ar NOT a fighter, take it from me, when you're in a tiny space, with a HIGHLY wired individual trying to end you consciousness, like ain't exactly the same.

I have a really good solution to facing Carlos Condit in a space that small. No. Give me a football stadium and a machine gun .... actually, he still wins 6 out of 10.
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SOME of you are fighters. Can you really criticize GSO for taking the 'control him, then try to knock him out' approach? If you ar NOT a fighter, take it from me, when you're in a tiny space, with a HIGHLY wired individual trying to end you consciousness, like ain't exactly the same.
I always laugh at this argument. I know two fighters and they are the definition of just bleed fans.

And I don't understand how GSP was in safe mode. He was engaging the entire fight.

Condit/Diaz was safe mode. Safe mode is avoiding the fight, not diving in head first like GSP did.

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Old 11-19-2012, 03:58 AM   #370 (permalink)
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To say GSP went into 'safe mode' is a bit of a stretch. He did what he did in the 4th and 5th, the same as he did in the 1st and 2nd, and part of the 3rd.

He stood with condit, landed some good shots (as did carlos) and then as soon as he could tell condit was comfortable and not focussing on the shot then BAM, took him down.

It was a masterclass and to me, GSPs best performance for a very long time.

The thing that made the fight for me though was that unlike a lot of GSP fights in the past, I never felt like Condit was out of the fight. He was always looking dangerous from his back and every time GSP made the slightest error, Carlos would try and make something out of it.

I thought Carlos Condit gave a very good account of himself and I 100% believe he was GSPs toughest fight to date. The Fact that GSP couldnt get the finish has nothing to do with his lack of finishing ability and everything to do with Condits heart.

excellent fight.
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