[GrappleRetarded]

Originally Posted by Sports_Nerd

Diaz was switching his stance in the 5th round. Something must've hurt his lead leg, but I can't quite point out what it was.

Diaz switches stances often in most of his fights, hasn't really got any thing to do with leg kicks. He does it when he isn't having the best success striking, switching up his strategy to confuse his opponent. If you want to see Diaz face a striker throwing leg kicks with purpose, then watch the Cyborg fight.

[Ari]

Originally Posted by SM33

I'm not labeling Condit as mentally weak, for me he showed weakness in that particular fight. Interim title, main event, dangerous opponent... and he was a different fighter, in many people's opinions not for the better. Diaz can be emotional, he frustrated Nick and got the win... just. Will he have the same dilemma entering an even bigger fight, will he risk his reputation again?

The point of most martial arts is to disable your attacker, the quicker the better, the more damaging the better. UFC stands for Ultimate Fighting Championship. Fighting is a contest, there is no purer sport. Sure there are rules, but those rules are there purely so you can't inflict too much damage when doing the disabling bit.

People have different philosophies on what makes a good fighter and what wins fights, Condit did not care if he didn't hurt Diaz all night he just wanted to look busy and make contact in the safest ways possible. I don't respect that.

Fighting, sport, contest, martial arts, whatever you want to call it. Before the fight, they all say how they want to and will, finish the fight. Only afterwards is a decision victory so acceptable, when they and their team know they tried their best. Unfortunately Condit looked like he trained to get the nod, not the finish. That's obviously fine with some people, but I've trained in several disciplines and his tactics were hard to watch for me.

I still don't understand your argument. Was Condit supposed to go balls to the wall against Diaz? A guy with an iron chin, relentless pace and cardio for days? That just seems primal and stupid. Instead Condit realized that he would be at a disadvantage and adjusted his style accordingly. I attribute that to mental strength, personally.

As for the rest of your post, I will respectfully acknowledge that we have extremely different views of martial arts and MMA in general. I am also a practitioner who holds a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo, and I have also trained various striking disciplines over the course of my life. Plus, two of my brothers are All-American wrestlers. And they're older than me. It's safe to say I learned a little bit of wrestling along the way

I train to be athletically fit and because I admire the philosophy of martial arts in the sense that St. Pierre does. Training to me is not about beating someone up, it's about growing as a person with every punch and kick you throw. If that's not for you, then that's fine.

[Ari]

Originally Posted by jonnyg4508

I've watched that fight about 5 or 6 times.

I agree with the guy. It isn't hating, it isn't bias. It is just what we saw. Condit threw a couple hard shots...couple high kicks. But 95% of the time he was hoping to score points in the judges eyes and he pulled it off.



If I remember correctly...after the fight Diaz was walking around fine and looked like he could go more rounds. Ceasar (or someone) I believe said Condit was in a wheel chair because he had a tough time walking around after the fight.

But either way this is a GSP/Condit thread. Condit will have to use a different gameplan to beat GSP.

What exactly is wrong with point fighting? If the point of the contest is to win, then why not win the safest, most intelligent way possible? Last time I checked, there was still a 'W' by Condit's name. Finishing is only a method of victory, not victory entirely.

As for your second statement, both fighters were fine. They went to their respective after parties. Condit was not in a wheel chair.

[Joabbuac]

Condit did not fight that way due to it being the most safest way to win, he thought that way because it was his only way to win. People think he should of thought any other way are mental and just wanted to see Diaz put on a good performance. Condit fought to win, people do not finish Nick Diaz...so why go all out to try?

Condit always had the reputation was a wild man, always in great fights, getting finishes and great comebacks. Now in one fight he can see the only way to win is to play it smart and everyone turns on him. Ridiculously fickle....

He probably knows a decision win is not likely against GSP, i can see him going out aggressive...GSP should dominate but Condit will always be dangerous.

[BOMDC]

I wonder if the internetz would explode if Condit won via Aldo/Swanson.



Really want to see a way Condit can take this, but it's really tough seeing him catch George on the way in or getting the better of him in the grappling exchanges.

[SM33]

Originally Posted by Ari

I train to be athletically fit and because I admire the philosophy of martial arts in the sense that St. Pierre does. Training to me is not about beating someone up, it's about growing as a person with every punch and kick you throw. If that's not for you, then that's fine.

I believe every parent should put their kids in a class. Discipline, respect, fitness and self defense.

MMA is fighting. I want to applaud a guy after fighting for 25 minutes, if Condit was fighting three blokes with knives on the street I'd applaud him, nice self defense.

It really is irrelevant, that performance doesn't bode well for fighting GSP. On the flipside, GSP is coming off a notorious injury and massive time off. Enjoy...

[jonnyg4508]

Originally Posted by Ari

What exactly is wrong with point fighting? If the point of the contest is to win, then why not win the safest, most intelligent way possible? Last time I checked, there was still a 'W' by Condit's name. Finishing is only a method of victory, not victory entirely.

As for your second statement, both fighters were fine. They went to their respective after parties. Condit was not in a wheel chair.

Where in my post did I bash Condit?

So what you are saying is you like Condit and how he fought that night, and I am supposed to like it too..

I didn't like how he fought. I liked how he fought several times before that. I didn't care for the Diaz fight. Just my opinion.

Fighters can fight however they want. Fans can choose to root for and applaud who and what they enjoy watching as well.

[dsmjrv]

why is every other post in this thread about diaz?

[Sports_Nerd]

Originally Posted by dsmjrv

why is every other post in this thread about diaz?

Because his fans are unable to soothe the excruciating pain in their butts.

[dlxrevolution]

Originally Posted by Sports_Nerd

Because his fans are unable to soothe the excruciating pain in their butts.

Man I nearly fell out fo my chair! I would rep you is I didn't need to spread more DX

This is a pretty rough match-up for Carlos Condit. As good as GSP is, and as easy as it would be to pick him to win this fight, a gut feeling tells me Condit is going to win this fight somehow, someway.

In order to win this fight, Condit has got to finish. There is absolutely no possible way he will out-point GSP. GSP is the master of getting decisions. However, his chin is still questionable, and Condit has KO power. If Condit can land some good shots, he may have a chance to win this fight.