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Old 11-14-2012, 05:50 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I spent time to actually type out reasons why I don't think there is adifference between pre and post illness Lesnar and all you give me is that?

Do you at least have one argument as to why you think the illness affected him so deeply? Or are you just trolling me?
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He started losing....BEFORE THE ILLNESS HE WAS INVINCIBLE!!!!
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I spent time to actually type out reasons why I don't think there is adifference between pre and post illness Lesnar and all you give me is that?

Do you at least have one argument as to why you think the illness affected him so deeply? Or are you just trolling me?
I'm with you. I seriously can't understand how people still buy into the hype after he got exposed. I'm blown away still by the amount of people that think he could actually be competitive vs Fedor at any point in his life. I know that is a completely different topic but I think it's undeniable that Brock benefited greatly from the shape of the HW division at the time of his arrival. Even if Brock Lesnar was the best Brock Lesnar ever today, he would struggle to be a top 10 HW.
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Yes.

He started losing....BEFORE THE ILLNESS HE WAS INVINCIBLE!!!!
Good to know you are up for debating MMA. For a second there I almost bought into the rumor that you are a troll.

Hey I know a great place you should take some of your amazing arguments. They add SO much to our forum that you really should share the maddening genius that are your thoughts with other people of similar intelligence:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/

I think the people here are a little too stupid for you.
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Good to know you are up for debating MMA. For a second there I almost bought into the rumor that you are a troll.

Hey I know a great place you should take some of your amazing arguments. They add SO much to our forum that you really should share the maddening genius that are your thoughts with other people of similar intelligence:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/

I think the people here are a little too stupid for you.
Or perhaps you should just watch the fights.

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Look i'm not gonna say the illness did not affect him, but come on now. Withered, faded, and ruined? That's really pushing it.

Brock never liked getting hit in the first place. That was obvious from the get go. Up against someone like Overeem who he can't simply out muscle and bring to the ground he was left with no recourse but to strike with a much better striker. How exactly would this fight have gone differently in 08/09? Brock certainly gained skill from 08/09 so do you really think that a small loss in muscle mass would really break Lesnar, or ruin him, as you put it?

The fact is Lesnar was never good, he just came to the UFC at a perfect time and got perfect opponents. Let's look at his record:

Wins:

Herring: Average fighter, much smaller than Brock, was on the way out of the MMa game.

Couture: Completely undersized compared to Brock. Literally the size difference is the same as Machida fighting Bendo. There was like a 40 pound size difference. Oh, and let's not forget Couture was an old man.

Mir: Lesnars one shining victory. Although he still used size and strength, he did show some good ground technique. I sign that he is improving, at least a bit. Lesnar also lost to Mir the first time.

Carwin: Practically a striking clone of Brock. Carwin is a terrible fighter that relies on size and power forgoing technique. Brock barely won, too. Carwin had him near finished and few would have argued if the fight was stopped. Brock showed how average he really was in this fight.

Losses:

Cain: Lesnar got exposed. A much smaller man with much, much, much more skill makes him look silly. Before his illness "ruined" him, as you put it.

Overeem: Lesnar is up against someone his own size for the first time. The only problem is Overeem is a much, much better striker, and since Lesnar can't simply use his size to drag Overeem down, we got the result we did: Lesnar was forced to strike and got exposed again.


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Damn right.

Pre-illness Brock smashes BOTH Overeem and Bigfoot.
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Damn right.

Pre-illness Brock smashes BOTH Overeem and Bigfoot.
Look i'm not gonna say the illness did not affect him, but come on now. Withered, faded, and ruined? That's really pushing it.

Brock never liked getting hit in the first place. That was obvious from the get go. Up against someone like Overeem who he can't simply out muscle and bring to the ground he was left with no recourse but to strike with a much better striker. How exactly would this fight have gone differently in 08/09? Brock certainly gained skill from 08/09 so do you really think that a small loss in muscle mass would really break Lesnar, or ruin him, as you put it?

The fact is Lesnar was never good, he just came to the UFC at a perfect time and got perfect opponents. Let's look at his record:

Wins:

Herring: Average fighter, much smaller than Brock, was on the way out of the MMa game.

Couture: Completely undersized compared to Brock. Literally the size difference is the same as Machida fighting Bendo. There was like a 40 pound size difference. Oh, and let's not forget Couture was an old man.

Mir: Lesnars one shining victory. Although he still used size and strength, he did show some good ground technique. I sign that he is improving, at least a bit. Lesnar also lost to Mir the first time.

Carwin: Practically a striking clone of Brock. Carwin is a terrible fighter that relies on size and power forgoing technique. Brock barely won, too. Carwin had him near finished and few would have argued if the fight was stopped. Brock showed how average he really was in this fight.

Losses:

Cain: Lesnar got exposed. A much smaller man with much, much, much more skill makes him look silly. Before his illness "ruined" him, as you put it.

Overeem: Lesnar is up against someone his own size for the first time. The only problem is Overeem is a much, much better striker, and since Lesnar can't simply use his size to drag Overeem down, we got the result we did: Lesnar was forced to strike and got exposed again.
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Damn right.

Pre-illness Brock smashes BOTH Overeem and Bigfoot.
I doubt he beats Overeem. Doesn't change the fact that he can't handle getting punched.

He beat Heath Herring. He beat a 46 year old man who was half his size. He beat Frank Mir and lost to Frank Mir. He got his ass kicked by Carwin, until Carwin's overrated ass basically seized up and couldn't move to start the 2nd round.

He did really good for a guy coming in with little training. But he never beat a guy on the level of Overeem, JDS, Cain, Werdum, Cormier and so on..

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