Originally Posted by Ape City

Hey Troll, please respond before you fill the forum with more BS:

Look i'm not gonna say the illness did not affect him, but come on now. Withered, faded, and ruined? That's really pushing it.

Brock never liked getting hit in the first place. That was obvious from the get go. Up against someone like Overeem who he can't simply out muscle and bring to the ground he was left with no recourse but to strike with a much better striker. How exactly would this fight have gone differently in 08/09? Brock certainly gained skill from 08/09 so do you really think that a small loss in muscle mass would really break Lesnar, or ruin him, as you put it?

The fact is Lesnar was never good, he just came to the UFC at a perfect time and got perfect opponents. Let's look at his record:

Wins:

Herring: Average fighter, much smaller than Brock, was on the way out of the MMa game.

Couture: Completely undersized compared to Brock. Literally the size difference is the same as Machida fighting Bendo. There was like a 40 pound size difference. Oh, and let's not forget Couture was an old man.

Mir: Lesnars one shining victory. Although he still used size and strength, he did show some good ground technique. I sign that he is improving, at least a bit. Lesnar also lost to Mir the first time.

Carwin: Practically a striking clone of Brock. Carwin is a terrible fighter that relies on size and power forgoing technique. Brock barely won, too. Carwin had him near finished and few would have argued if the fight was stopped. Brock showed how average he really was in this fight.

Losses:

Cain: Lesnar got exposed. A much smaller man with much, much, much more skill makes him look silly. Before his illness "ruined" him, as you put it.

Overeem: Lesnar is up against someone his own size for the first time. The only problem is Overeem is a much, much better striker, and since Lesnar can't simply use his size to drag Overeem down, we got the result we did: Lesnar was forced to strike and got exposed again.

Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion

You can rant all you want dude.

pre-illness Brock and post-illness Brock is a real thing, you hater.

Originally Posted by Woodenhead

"pre-injury GSP and post-injury GSP is a real thing, you hater"

you're not a hater tho, I know that. :] Just sayin' that that kind of narrative is a bit too binary.

Borck was always overrated - Ape City's breakdown is actually pretty good, IMO. And I always wanted to see Brock kick butt in MMA - I was an early supporter, and took a fair bot of flack for it. If he'd have gotten into the game early on, instead of getting into the WWE, then I think things would have been different...

Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion

If Brock had got MMA instead of going to pro wrestling he would have held the belt for years, maybe even until he lost to Cain.

But injuries and illnesses do make a difference, GSP's ACL injury may cripple him his best asset is his wrestling and he'll need that right leg to be 100 percent. Brock was clearly a different man when he came back, he owned Heath Herring for fifteen minutes yet he was totally gassed after two against Cain.

Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion

If Brock had got MMA instead of going to pro wrestling he would have held the belt for years, maybe even until he lost to Cain.

But injuries and illnesses do make a difference, GSP's ACL injury may cripple him his best asset is his wrestling and he'll need that right leg to be 100 percent. Brock was clearly a different man when he came back, he owned Heath Herring for fifteen minutes yet he was totally gassed after two against Cain.

Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion

If Brock had got MMA instead of going to pro wrestling he would have held the belt for years, maybe even until he lost to Cain.

But injuries and illnesses do make a difference, GSP's ACL injury may cripple him his best asset is his wrestling and he'll need that right leg to be 100 percent. Brock was clearly a different man when he came back, he owned Heath Herring for fifteen minutes yet he was totally gassed after two against Cain.

Originally Posted by Voiceless

Weren't you on the "it's just a lame excuse"-side when it was about Anderson Silva's rib issue and his "bad" performance in the first Sonnen fight¿ Now all of a sudden health reasons are fine enough as explanations for bad performances of fighters you like.

Originally Posted by TheLyotoLegion

he'a a liar and a fraud.