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Old 11-14-2012, 08:00 PM   #41 (permalink)
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This sucks so bad, was kind of looking forward to this fight. Carwin is 37 years old, i hope this isn't a career breaker.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:03 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Anyone know where Kharatoniv is?

Why he's not in the UFC yet is beyond me. That'd be a good fight too, but if I had to choose between Kongo, Arlovski, or Sergei, I'd pick Arlovski due to the very controversial ending of the first fight.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:12 PM   #43 (permalink)
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It's people like you who blindly follow flawed laws from a corrupt government whom are part responsible for this joke of a society.
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Kongo possibly? I'd quite like to see it as I think Roy would knock him out quite easily.
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"The most absurd apology for authority and law is that they serve to diminish crime. Aside from the fact that the State is itself the greatest criminal, breaking every written and natural law, stealing in the form of taxes, killing in the form of war and capital punishment, it has come to an absolute standstill in coping with crime. It has failed utterly to destroy or even minimize the horrible scourge of its own creation."

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It's people like you who blindly follow flawed laws from a corrupt government whom are part responsible for this joke of a society.
You are comparing someone saying that if you agree to work under certain rules that you should follow all of them to someone who supports corrupt laws and governments? The two are completely different.

Abiding by rules you agree to is not the same as abiding by laws passed by corrupt politicians and warmongers. One you willingly agreed to and the other is forced upon you. If you get hired at a job you agree to play by their rules. If you decide to protest those rules you end up not working.

Listen I am all for pot being legal. But my job drug tests. If I get stoned and they catch me I don't get to say that the rule was petty and corrupt. I get fired. Diaz isn't immoral for what he did. He's an idiot for doing something that was against his contract.
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You are comparing someone saying that if you agree to work under certain rules that you should follow all of them to someone who supports corrupt laws and governments? The two are completely different.

Abiding by rules you agree to is not the same as abiding by laws passed by corrupt politicians and warmongers. One you willingly agreed to and the other is forced upon you. If you get hired at a job you agree to play by their rules. If you decide to protest those rules you end up not working.

Listen I am all for pot being legal. But my job drug tests. If I get stoned and they catch me I don't get to say that the rule was petty and corrupt. I get fired. Diaz isn't immoral for what he did. He's an idiot for doing something that was against his contract.
I've been breaking the tedious, unnecessary rules in my job since I started working there 5 years ago and get by just fine. Most people who work there simply don't care, because they know some of the rules enforced are just pointless.

When I say breaking the rules, I don't mean stuff like stealing money or any crap like that, just the really silly, completely unnecessary rules they have in place. If enough people rebel against the silly rules, then the company will look into changing them.
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You are comparing someone saying that if you agree to work under certain rules that you should follow all of them to someone who supports corrupt laws and governments? The two are completely different.

Abiding by rules you agree to is not the same as abiding by laws passed by corrupt politicians and warmongers. One you willingly agreed to and the other is forced upon you. If you get hired at a job you agree to play by their rules. If you decide to protest those rules you end up not working.

Listen I am all for pot being legal. But my job drug tests. If I get stoned and they catch me I don't get to say that the rule was petty and corrupt. I get fired. Diaz isn't immoral for what he did. He's an idiot for doing something that was against his contract.
If my job started testing for pot I'd probably quit the next morning.

But I get 100% what you're saying. If you sign a contract with the UFC, you know what substances are allowed, and which ones aren't.

However, as much as I don't like Diaz, it's a weird situation that he's in. Pot is legal in California (where he lives) with a medical card (seriously, I wonder how hard those cards are to get though, everyone in Cali seems to have them???), and Diaz has a card. Where things get interesting is the UFC says you can't use it (and also the federal law which allows the feds to raid legal pot shops in California).

What gets me, is I don't in any way see how pot could be considered performance enhancing. I know some people say it makes them become ultra focused during a workout. The few times that I've been to the gym high I think I wandered around for about 45 minutes, and did 3 exercises. If someone wants to train high, I really couldn't care -- however I can see how it's a "role-model" / reputation thing for the UFC.
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I've been breaking the tedious, unnecessary rules in my job since I started working there 5 years ago and get by just fine. Most people who work there simply don't care, because they know some of the rules enforced are just pointless.

When I say breaking the rules, I don't mean stuff like stealing money or any crap like that, just the really silly, completely unnecessary rules they have in place. If enough people rebel against the silly rules, then the company will look into changing them.
I'm betting your little rules are not ones the government enforces. It keeps the company from being legally liable and the company's have every right to ask you not to partake of illegal, judgement impairing substances while you work for them. Just as you have every right to not comply and then you have every right to fill out your Unemployment paperwork.

If enough people at a job want to rebel against something like what drugs you can take while working there the company isn't going to change it's policies. It's just going to find new non-stoned employees. That is it.

Now I am done. Your side of the argument is skewed at best and I don't feel like debating your unrequited crush Diaz with you again. Even tangentially.

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But I get 100% what you're saying. If you sign a contract with the UFC, you know what substances are allowed, and which ones aren't.

However, as much as I don't like Diaz, it's a weird situation that he's in. Pot is legal in California (where he lives) with a medical card (seriously, I wonder how hard those cards are to get though, everyone in Cali seems to have them???), and Diaz has a card. Where things get interesting is the UFC says you can't use it (and also the federal law which allows the feds to raid legal pot shops in California).
Problem is pot is illegal in Nevada - where the fight took place. That is all the Commission looks at. And getting that card is ridiculously easy. You can walk into most doctor's office and damn near ask for one. In Diaz's case it's not really a medical issue. He just likes to get stoned. Every illegal drug gets tested for. They aren't really considered PEDs but they are on the forbidden list anyway. It's an image and safety thing.
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I'm betting your little rules are not ones the government enforces. It keeps the company from being legally liable and the company's have every right to ask you not to partake of illegal, judgement impairing substances while you work for them. Just as you have every right to not comply and then you have every right to fill out your Unemployment paperwork.

If enough people at a job want to rebel against something like what drugs you can take while working there the company isn't going to change it's policies. It's just going to find new non-stoned employees. That is it.

Now I am done. Your side of the argument is skewed at best and I don't feel like debating your unrequited crush Diaz with you again. Even tangentially.



Problem is pot is illegal in Nevada - where the fight took place. That is all the Commission looks at. And getting that card is ridiculously easy. You can walk into most doctor's office and damn near ask for one. In Diaz's case it's not really a medical issue. He just likes to get stoned. Every illegal drug gets tested for. They aren't really considered PEDs but they are on the forbidden list anyway. It's an image and safety thing.
I thought both Diaz brothers had "anxiety"?

Pot certainly isn't a performance enhancer, but neither is meth and they're both illegal, granted meth is much more dangerous but that's just how the dice roll. It's not allowed in the NFL either, I would suggest it's a public image thing but then TRT is allowed.
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