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Old 11-15-2012, 10:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Agreed 100%.

It's GSP that's selling the PPVs, not Condit. Condit/Diaz had a buyrate of about 400,000. Without going back and looking, I'd be surprised if a numbered PPV with GSP had less than 750,000 since he was champion.

Condit has been my one of my favourite fighters to watch with GSP out, but he could have arguably defended his interim belt at least once since Feburary. 9 months is a long time between fights, and he's not even the real champion.

To be honest, I really dislike the idea of the interim belt all together. You didn't beat the champion, why should you get a fake belt to parade around?
Exactly

The ONLY reason i see for Interim belts is if the champ is out, someone has to defend the belt. so this whole waiting thing kind of defeats the purpose all together. It's f*ckin stupid..


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It's not about being A "warrior" anymore, if it ever was, it's about being smart.

Can you imagine how Condit or Barao would feel if they went into a fight to defend the interim title and lost because of a grazing elbow forty seconds in that did no damage and the million dollar pay day Condit will be getting on Sunday just all of a sudden vanished?
Yes. that is a possibility, but so is him collecting a payday for defending his belt then earning an even larger payday for his fight with GSP. but for some reason he chose 1 smaller payday over x2.. That kind of lack of confidence in a fighter is really quite off-putting. IMO.

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Barao will also get paid when he fights Cruz they might put that on FOX and his sponsors will dish out the cash for sure, what if he fought Mayday and he blew his ACL or something like that during the fight or he got robbed by incompetent judges?
That's the kind of stuff that builds excitement. the risk/reward of it all. the high stakes is what makes people watch. Fighters can barely make it through a training camp without getting injured. It's part of the Job.

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Yeah, this whole "well it's about being a warrior" bullshit is just that, bullshit, I'm sure we've got some parents on here and I assure you, that they understand Condit's reason to wait, to provide for his family and the fat check he gets on Saturday will do that for his wife and son.
Sure, some will agree. But i doubt they are the same people who have seen the great fighters of the past. sure the fighters of today are more technical in more aspects, but somewhere along the way they lost the "Bullshit Warrior" as you call it.. or Passion for Fighting as i call it.

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Besides, Condit was gonna defend it anyway, remember? Instant rematch with Diaz that went up in smoke(see what I did there) because Nick was too busy toking up days before the fight?
Its true Condit did eventually say he would agree to a rematch, as rumors of Diaz suspension started to swirl..

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This isn't 2002, it's 2012, there's serious money to be made in MMA, Condit and Barao are completely justified in their decisions. If you wanna get mad at someone go after Dana White and Joe Silva for not making them defend.
Serious money is to be made. Now which scenario makes more?

A. Win Interim Belt - wait 9 months - Title Unification
B. Win Interim Belt - Defend Title - Title Unification

now i am aware C also Exists
C. Win Interim Belt - Lose title - Climb Ladder.

But that is all part of the game. its a risk you take as a fighter, and the best will rise to the top.

But yes they are justified in there decisions. To each his own, if that is how they see fit to handle this situation. fair enough. But you cant deny there is a hint of cowardice in the choice they have made.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:51 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm getting tired of these new school guys.. coming in with this bullsh*t "ill just wait" mentality. Its making it hard to watch..

you think Chuck Liddell would of waited? or Mark Coleman? Wanderlei? Couture? Frye?

but no you get guys today like Hendricks, Barao and Condit. who are shit scared of losing. No confidence in them self.
Yeah. It's the fighters' fault that if you lose 2 in a row Dana will very likely cut you even if you just fought for the title.

And it's the fighters' fault that if you lose even one fight, the entire MMA fan community turns on you and calls you a can.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:52 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Yeah. It's the fighters' fault that if you lose 2 in a row Dana will very likely cut you even if you just fought for the title.
Too be fair. Most fighters who put on a decent performance in their fights will get at least 3 losses before being cut.

and if they go 0/3 than maybe they ain't ready for that level of competition. Why is there so much shame attached with fighting in other organizations??

yes money is better in the UFC, but if you ain't winning fights you ain't earning to your full potential. Go where you can win and win a lot.

These guys are supposed to be Ultimate Fighters, and to me a guy who sits on the bench saying he'll wait because he's scared. Well to me there just ain't nothing Ultimate about that, just cowardice.

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And it's the fighters' fault that if you lose even one fight, the entire MMA fan community turns on you and calls you a can.
Well.. it depends on how you lose.

if someone gets their ass BEAT DOWN. then yeah.. people will no longer see him as a threat to the top guys.

But Fighters who go to war and lose, could hardly be called cans. Only an uneducated fan would hold that opinion. So i disagree with that point entirely.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:17 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Too be fair. Most fighters who put on a decent performance in their fights will get at least 3 losses before being cut.

and if they go 0/3 than maybe they ain't ready for that level of competition. Why is there so much shame attached with fighting in other organizations??

yes money is better in the UFC, but if you ain't winning fights you ain't earning to your full potential. Go where you can win and win a lot.

These guys are supposed to be Ultimate Fighters, and to me a guy who sits on the bench saying he'll wait because he's scared. Well to me there just ain't nothing Ultimate about that, just cowardice.



Well.. it depends on how you lose.

if someone gets their ass BEAT DOWN. then yeah.. people will no longer see him as a threat to the top guys.

But Fighters who go to war and lose, could hardly be called cans. Only an uneducated fan would hold that opinion. So i disagree with that point entirely.
Do you remember Gerald Harris?

In July 2010 his KO victory was on Sportscenter and he was riding a win streak, in his next fight he lost it and got caught after.

As for your cowardice claim, well I've already touched on this but what if you had a Travis Browne where you blow your knee out 30 seconds in the fight? What if you and the rest of the world think you've won a clear decision but the judges give it to the other guy?

MMA is not a best of seven series where if you lose one you still get six more cracks to make it to the next round or win the Championship. It's 15 or 25 minutes of your best and as we've seen anything can happen.
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Too be fair. Most fighters who put on a decent performance in their fights will get at least 3 losses before being cut.

and if they go 0/3 than maybe they ain't ready for that level of competition. Why is there so much shame attached with fighting in other organizations??

yes money is better in the UFC, but if you ain't winning fights you ain't earning to your full potential. Go where you can win and win a lot.

These guys are supposed to be Ultimate Fighters, and to me a guy who sits on the bench saying he'll wait because he's scared. Well to me there just ain't nothing Ultimate about that, just cowardice.



Well.. it depends on how you lose.

if someone gets their ass BEAT DOWN. then yeah.. people will no longer see him as a threat to the top guys.

But Fighters who go to war and lose, could hardly be called cans. Only an uneducated fan would hold that opinion. So i disagree with that point entirely.
You're a bit of a dumbass aren't ya?

There's plenty of fighters that "go to war" and get their asses kicked. Many are cans tbh. I thought about listing them but it's not worth the time.

YOU are the uneducated fan and to see you claiming a UFC fighter is a coward is hilarious and pathetic.
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The UFC can't force a fighter to fight..but they should be saying if you haven't beaten someone in a ring in say the last 5 months, then maybe you don't deserve to be the number one contender anymore. Active fighters who aren't afraid to lose should be rewarded imo
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