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Old 11-18-2012, 12:15 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Yeah, I don't think the naysayers are basing this on "p4p rankings" or whatever. It's probably more that they just yesterday watched GSP (nearly) get his head kicked off by someone who's built similarly to Anderson, but is smaller and inferior. It's not hard to extrapolate from this and feel that the bigger, more dominant fighter in Anderson would be able to capitalize on the mistakes that Georges makes -- as he's done to so many before -- and get the finish. Or even worse, and just as likely, dance around him in jab for 25 minutes.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:32 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Can I take 2 minutes to desribe how dumb this is?

Lets play hypothetical fantasy land for a minute. Say Anderson retired today and GSP moved to 185. Who would you expect to capture the belt at MW? I think Weidman would be a bad matchup for him. But most people would pick GSP or Weidman. So if GSP is good enough to be the #2 or #3 best MW in teh world....what is the problem? He would be a top 3 MW if he moved up. So why is it so unfair that he fights the #1 MW at a catchweight?

People must not think highly of GSP to think he has no shot. Even his fans must not think much of him. You take Cruz/Aldo meeting at 140. Aldo/Bendo meeting at 150. Bendo/GSP meeting at 165. Anderson/Jones meeting at 200. Jones/JDS meeting at 225. No one would call ANY of those catchweight fighst between champs unfair. Yet we gets to Anderson/GSP at 178 and all of a sudden it is the most unfair thing around.

That right there shows you how little faith fans have in GSP. He is the #2 P4P fighter in the whole world. Yet he is getting the baby treatment as to what he can handle and what he can't. If the #2 P4P fighter is so far away from the #1 P4P fighter....that right there says something about his ranking. Not a very good #2 P4P fighter when people think he has no chance of beating the #1 at a catch.
Who says he's the #2 P4P fighter? Dana? Anderson? Most reputable lists that bother to rate P4P have Bones at #2 if you take the time to look.

There's a difference between not having faith, and both fans and GSP being realistic about the outcome.

Look at the guys GSP has gone 5 rounds with. Do you think any of those guys would last more than a round with Silva at a catchweight fight?

Second to that - if you saw the post-fight presser yesterday it's seems GSP really isn't interested. He probably just has too much pride to say no - but if he really wanted the fight it would have been a done deal and announced at the post fight presser.

GSP even hinted last night that moving up to 178 may be too much for his body -- he stated that hes very careful with his weight and his body doesn't allow him to move up and down very much like other fighters. He hinted at maybe 170 if Anderson can make that weight. He also talked about how Anderson started his carrer at WW, and has continued to grow, and fought at LHW. He talked about how if they weighed in at 178 anderson could be well above 210 the night of the fight, compard to maybe GSP being 185.

He also took a shot at Dana and the media, saying it was very disrespectful to both Condit and himself to talk about a fight with Silva during the week leading up to this fight. It will be interesting to see if Dana has anyhing to say back, but I'm thinking this is the rare case where Dana may bite his tongue.

Ultimately it's up to GSP, and if you've actually listened to his opinion on the matter (not reading people's opinions on forums, not listening to Dana/Silva talk, not listening to the media) he's never really been interested. He one of the smartest fighters in the UFC, and he's a realist. Again, it's GSP being realistic about the outcome.

I'll end by saying - the funny thing is, if you actually TALK to some hardcoreGSP fans in Canada, most really don't want the fight. It seems to be the Silva fans, Dana White (for the payday) and the GSP haters who want to see him beaten.
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Who says he's the #2 P4P fighter? Dana? Anderson? Most reputable lists that bother to rate P4P have Bones at #2 if you take the time to look.

There's a difference between not having faith, and both fans and GSP being realistic about the outcome.

Look at the guys GSP has gone 5 rounds with. Do you think any of those guys would last more than a round with Silva at a catchweight fight?

Second to that - if you saw the post-fight presser yesterday it's seems GSP really isn't interested. He probably just has too much pride to say no - but if he really wanted the fight it would have been a done deal and announced at the post fight presser.

GSP even hinted last night that moving up to 178 may be too much for his body -- he stated that hes very careful with his weight and his body doesn't allow him to move up and down very much like other fighters. He hinted at maybe 170 if Anderson can make that weight. He also talked about how Anderson started his carrer at WW, and has continued to grow, and fought at LHW. He talked about how if they weighed in at 178 anderson could be well above 210 the night of the fight, compard to maybe GSP being 185.

He also took a shot at Dana and the media, saying it was very disrespectful to both Condit and himself to talk about a fight with Silva during the week leading up to this fight. It will be interesting to see if Dana has anyhing to say back, but I'm thinking this is the rare case where Dana may bite his tongue.

Ultimately it's up to GSP, and if you've actually listened to his opinion on the matter (not reading people's opinions on forums, not listening to Dana/Silva talk, not listening to the media) he's never really been interested. He one of the smartest fighters in the UFC, and he's a realist. Again, it's GSP being realistic about the outcome.

I'll end by saying - the funny thing is, if you actually TALK to some hardcoreGSP fans in Canada, most really don't want the fight. It seems to be the Silva fans, Dana White (for the payday) and the GSP haters who want to see him beaten.
What are you talking about?. He cuts from 190-195 to get to 170 so how would his body not allow him to make 178?.
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Who says he's the #2 P4P fighter? Dana? Anderson? Most reputable lists that bother to rate P4P have Bones at #2 if you take the time to look.

There's a difference between not having faith, and both fans and GSP being realistic about the outcome.

Look at the guys GSP has gone 5 rounds with. Do you think any of those guys would last more than a round with Silva at a catchweight fight?

Second to that - if you saw the post-fight presser yesterday it's seems GSP really isn't interested. He probably just has too much pride to say no - but if he really wanted the fight it would have been a done deal and announced at the post fight presser.

GSP even hinted last night that moving up to 178 may be too much for his body -- he stated that hes very careful with his weight and his body doesn't allow him to move up and down very much like other fighters. He hinted at maybe 170 if Anderson can make that weight. He also talked about how Anderson started his carrer at WW, and has continued to grow, and fought at LHW. He talked about how if they weighed in at 178 anderson could be well above 210 the night of the fight, compard to maybe GSP being 185.

He also took a shot at Dana and the media, saying it was very disrespectful to both Condit and himself to talk about a fight with Silva during the week leading up to this fight. It will be interesting to see if Dana has anyhing to say back, but I'm thinking this is the rare case where Dana may bite his tongue.

Ultimately it's up to GSP, and if you've actually listened to his opinion on the matter (not reading people's opinions on forums, not listening to Dana/Silva talk, not listening to the media) he's never really been interested. He one of the smartest fighters in the UFC, and he's a realist. Again, it's GSP being realistic about the outcome.

I'll end by saying - the funny thing is, if you actually TALK to some hardcoreGSP fans in Canada, most really don't want the fight. It seems to be the Silva fans, Dana White (for the payday) and the GSP haters who want to see him beaten.
They have Bones #2 because GSP has been out. GSP is my #2. He barely loses rounds and has done it much longer than Bones. But who cares who is where? GSP is a long time #2 and perhaps #3 in some eyes. He is #1 still in a few peoples eyes. So it is all a matter of opinion. I consider him #2. Jones can't jump him when GSP has hardly lost any rounds.

GSP is the only fighter who gets away with the "well I have to put on proper weight" ..."Oh I weigh 190-195 before I cut weight but 178 is too much.. While Anderson gets fat as hell and goes to 205. GSO is the ONLY fighter that can use those weird excuses.

Bottom line is any other catchweight between champs wouldn't be called unfair. Yet this one is. GSO is top 3 P4P for gods sakes. And it is unrealistic that he meets the #1 who is 1 division above him? People have no faith in GSP. 1-dimensional Chael Sonnen had all the chance in the world according to many...but GSP a well-rounded wrestler in his own right has no chance and it is unfair? That right there shows how little faith people have in GSP.

It is fine. GSP should just man up and make a choice and stick by it like a man. It is fine if he doesn't want to fight, just say so, so everyone can move on. GSP can stay at 170 for the length of his career and fight manufactured contenders if he wants too. It is his legacy. His career.

Anderson's kryptonite is WRESTLING. People for a while now called GSP the best wrestler in all of MMA. People got all excited to hear that he takes down Rashad Evans...one of the best wrestlers in MMA...down in practice. I thought it was logical that the best wrestler in all of MMA, with BJJ knowledge to boot...be the guy to face Anderson, as that is the matchup that stylistically makes all the sense in the world. But at last, the best wrestler in all of MMA is not good enough to challenge Silva. Ironic. Ironic how Chael got all this love as a wrestler with no BJJ defense. But GSP gets no love as a great wrestler with BJJ. Odd stuff.

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Old 11-18-2012, 12:48 PM   #95 (permalink)
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well considering they are just handing out 205 shots to Anderson's leftovers at 185 the division and whos division it is means a lot less.

Anderson doesn't want that fight. But if everyone else does and it will make big money then he is open to it. Unlike GSP.

GSP can hide at 170 all his life though. He will never be regarded as a certified badass like BJ Penn and others. He will go down as the safest fighter of all time. One of the most dominant champions that was so afraid to lose that it made him into a robot.
I'm not sure how losing makes you more badass. GSP could go get his head knocked off by Dos Santos, according to your logic that would make him a badass?

Why doesn't Frankie Edgar go fight GSP then? He would end up in the hospital, but that would make him more badass right?

Hiding at 170, lol.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:54 PM   #96 (permalink)
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I'm not sure how losing makes you more badass. GSP could go get his head knocked off by Dos Santos, according to your logic that would make him a badass?

Why doesn't Frankie Edgar go fight GSP then? He would end up in the hospital, but that would make him more badass right?

Hiding at 170, lol.
BJ Penn has lost plenty. But people call him a badass for not being afraid of losing. He is coming out of retirement, as a guy who could of made 145. To face one of the best prospects in MMA, a very large 170 that may go to 185. He decided to take on that challenge....even though he doesn't "have" to.

Does that makes sense?
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:56 PM   #97 (permalink)
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When Anderson fights the #2 P4P fighter at 205lbs...it will be badass. Because he isn't afraid to lose.

Does that make sense?

All fighters are different. If GSP doesn't want these types of fights that is fine. Just funny that he beat up a bunch of 155ers in his career...yet when it is "his turn" to be that guy...it is unfair...and "he may lose". And this and that.
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:03 PM   #98 (permalink)
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Look Anderson Silva isn't being a bully, he's being smart. The way he see's it is there is no one in the middleweight devision that is going to get him the big buck, there's no one that's gonna get 600+ ppv's. He is getting old and he's wanting to earn as much money as he can before he retires. Gsp is the ticket for that..... Not Jones.
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Just funny that he beat up a bunch of 155ers in his career...yet when it is "his turn" to be that guy...it is unfair...and "he may lose". And this and that.
What are you talking about? Sherk was a WW fighter when he fought GSP, he dropped down to LW later.

BJ Penn was fighting at WW and even MW before resigning with the UFC and fighting GSP at UFC 58 for the #1 WW contender.

The second time Penn was the LW champion and challenged GSP because he wanted 2 belts.

GSP has never beat up on a 155er that wasn't fighting at WW at the time, or wanted the fight.

Slight difference from this situation.
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What are you talking about? Sherk was a WW fighter when he fought GSP, he dropped down to LW later.

BJ Penn was fighting at WW and even MW before resigning with the UFC and fighting GSP at UFC 58 for the #1 WW contender.

The second time Penn was the LW champion and challenged GSP because he wanted 2 belts.

GSP has never beat up on a 155er that wasn't fighting at WW at the time, or wanted the fight.

Slight difference from this situation.
Not really... GSP still took that fight with BJ. Even though that fight was at 170... BJ never even made it their. He weighed in at 167lbs or something low like that. So GSP had a Huge advantage over LIL Penn.

And whats real funny he still greased himself up in the fight in between rounds... More Grease then any fighter has ever applied in the history of UFC greasing....
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