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Canadian Psycho 11-18-2012 10:31 AM

St. Pierre vs. Hendricks. Real Talk.
 
I have all the respect in the world for Johnny Hendricks, but I have to ask - do people honestly believe he's the one to dethrone Georges St. Pierre? I still think Kampmann would have posed more of a threat to the WW kingpin, his awful fighter IQ notwithstanding. I get it... Hendricks hits like a truck. But so do Matt Serra, Josh Koscheck, Dan Hardy, and Thiago Alves. In fact, it might be said that each of those men has devastating, one punch, knockout power. And each was made to look an absolute fool, some of them in the standup (Alves and Koscheck in particular). I don't even see Hendricks as being a more well rounded striker than these men... he's literally the Dan Henderson of WW in that he relies on a single punch. And if he can't find it, his arsenal is literally cut in half. The only threat I see Hendricks posing is the same one Matt Serra posed... swarm and catch GSP in a flurry. I suppose that's always a viable option.

And what of Johnny's wrestling? He has his credentials, but so did Jon Fitch. So did Josh Koscheck. I don't think it matters how good a wrestler you are in this day and age... you're not outwrestling GSP. So what does Hendricks bring outside of that single punch? Can he do what Condit does off of his back? Doubtful. Does he have exemplary TDD? No. Which means that this is going to be precisely the type of ugly, drawn out fight that people hate to see from the champion. GSP will take him down each and every round, break his spirit, and win a lopsided decision. I don't want to say it will be exactly like the Dan Hardy fight, which I didn't thoroughly enjoy short of GSP's sub attempts, but I'm willing to bet it will be damn near close.

Johnny's having only one real tool will result in a meh fight. GSP needs to be fighting well rounded fighters, because they bring out the best in him. Even though the fight went to a decision, Carlos and GSP put on a potential FOTY candidate. And that has everything to do with Condit's being good all over. GSP is like that child genius we all went to school with. If you give him standard level school work, he's going to get bored and under-perform. If you give him an actual challenge, however, you're going to see what he can truly do. Hendricks is no test... Hendricks is Applied English 101.

Just my two cents. If the UFC could contract GSP to fight Carlos ten more times, I'd be on board. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out who brings a complete game like Condit does. It's impossible to argue that Johnny hasn't earned his shot. He definitely deserves it, and I give him respect for doing what he does. But GSP isn't going to move backwards in their fight and give him the range to land a thing. End result, and even I will say this, will be a not so exciting, one sided clinic.

luckbox 11-18-2012 10:39 AM

I actually had a chance to ask GSP about it, and he had this to say: "Johnny 'endricks is the most dangerous fighter I've faced in my career."

To be serious though, no, I don't think he has much of a chance. They will probably sell the fight on "This guy knocks everybody out within seconds and he is impossible to take down" but in reality, he will likely be 50-45'd like the rest of them.

He absolutely deserves the title shot though. There is no question about that.

TheNinja 11-18-2012 10:50 AM

GSP would flat out tool him.. no interest in that fight...

Hammerlock2.0 11-18-2012 11:04 AM

Once Hendricks faces a fighter who knows how to avoid a telegraphed overhand he'll lose again. In my opinion it's just a run he's on. In a year he'll be back fighting mid-tier guys just like all the Hardys, Sotis and Stanns of the roster. In this day and age you need to have more than one weapon. Even more than two weapons. Best you bring the whole damn arsenal.

anderton46 11-18-2012 11:06 AM

Honestly I think this is the perfect fight for GSP to finally get a finish. I think that this'll be a fight GSP barely looks to strike apart from his using his jab. I don't see Hendricks stuffing GSP's takedowns outside of the first round and he'll likely wilt by the championship rounds which he's never seen before. Round 4/5 will be GSP repeatedly passing guard and hopefully finish with a sub or gnp.

xxpillowxxjp 11-18-2012 03:21 PM

Thought i do agree with GSP dominating hendricks, people arent giving hendricks the respect due.

There is a reason, believe it or not, that hendricks connects with that big right hand. If it was TELEGRAPHED, it wouldn't have hit Kampmann. He sets the punch up nicely with his jab and the way he covers distance after the jab is PHENOMENAL.

There is only one other fighter in the division who covers distance with his punches like Hendricks, and that's gsp himself.

Here's the thing, we KNOW GSP is acceptable to a flash KO. And we KNOW hendricks has the heaviest hands in the division. He doesn't have the best arsenal. That's obvious. But if there is anyone that could get a flash KO on GSP, its hendricks. I mean who else in the WW division has knocked off 2 top 5 (?) fighters within the first minute with one punch? None. Carlos condit is a GREAT striker. The reason he has so many knock outs thought isn't because of his power, it's because of his combinations.


Hendrick's deserves his shot no doubt, and sure he will probably get 50-45'd, but if there is someone that has the best chance to flash KO GSP, it is definitely Hendricks.

GrappleRetarded 11-18-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian Psycho (Post 1648991)
I have all the respect in the world for Johnny Hendricks, but I have to ask - do people honestly believe he's the one to dethrone Georges St. Pierre? I still think Kampmann would have posed more of a threat to the WW kingpin, his awful fighter IQ notwithstanding. I get it... Hendricks hits like a truck. But so do Matt Serra, Josh Koscheck, Dan Hardy, and Thiago Alves. In fact, it might be said that each of those men has devastating, one punch, knockout power. And each was made to look an absolute fool, some of them in the standup (Alves and Koscheck in particular). I don't even see Hendricks as being a more well rounded striker than these men... he's literally the Dan Henderson of WW in that he relies on a single punch. And if he can't find it, his arsenal is literally cut in half. The only threat I see Hendricks posing is the same one Matt Serra posed... swarm and catch GSP in a flurry. I suppose that's always a viable option.

And what of Johnny's wrestling? He has his credentials, but so did Jon Fitch. So did Josh Koscheck. I don't think it matters how good a wrestler you are in this day and age... you're not outwrestling GSP. So what does Hendricks bring outside of that single punch? Can he do what Condit does off of his back? Doubtful. Does he have exemplary TDD? No. Which means that this is going to be precisely the type of ugly, drawn out fight that people hate to see from the champion. GSP will take him down each and every round, break his spirit, and win a lopsided decision. I don't want to say it will be exactly like the Dan Hardy fight, which I didn't thoroughly enjoy short of GSP's sub attempts, but I'm willing to bet it will be damn near close.

Johnny's having only one real tool will result in a meh fight. GSP needs to be fighting well rounded fighters, because they bring out the best in him. Even though the fight went to a decision, Carlos and GSP put on a potential FOTY candidate. And that has everything to do with Condit's being good all over. GSP is like that child genius we all went to school with. If you give him standard level school work, he's going to get bored and under-perform. If you give him an actual challenge, however, you're going to see what he can truly do. Hendricks is no test... Hendricks is Applied English 101.

Just my two cents. If the UFC could contract GSP to fight Carlos ten more times, I'd be on board. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out who brings a complete game like Condit does. It's impossible to argue that Johnny hasn't earned his shot. He definitely deserves it, and I give him respect for doing what he does. But GSP isn't going to move backwards in their fight and give him the range to land a thing. End result, and even I will say this, will be a not so exciting, one sided clinic.

The only other fighter in the WW division that is as dangerous as Carlos is in all aspects of the game is Nick Diaz. Like Carlos, he has the striking, toughness and elite ground game to keep GSP busy where ever the fight takes place.

That said, I did under rate Hendricks' timing and accuracy going into the Kampmann fight big time. He's a very, very dangerous fighter for any one in the WW division - including GSP. Unlike Kampmann though, GSP's footwork and head movement doesn't absolutely suck.

Seriously Kampmann, you really need to work on that head movement and footwork buddy.

Canadian Psycho 11-18-2012 03:31 PM

I don't know that GSP is necessarily susceptible to flash KOs. No more than anyone else that is. Serra didn't flash KO him. And that kick from Condit showed that GSP actually can take a fair amount of damage when knocked down. Though I get your point, that being that Hendricks can probably knock out just about anyone if given the opportunity.

Hellboy 11-18-2012 03:37 PM

The only people talking up Hendricks are the same people that don't want GSP to fight Anderson.

I find that odd. Why would you not want GSP to fight Anderson?

Canadian Psycho 11-18-2012 03:38 PM

Because he'd probably get hurt. Duh.


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