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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-16-2006, 05:33 PM Thread Starter
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How much does size matter?

In the UFC they go a long way to seperate weight classes and put alot of emphasis on the weighins. Does weight really matter so much that they need to seperate it? Does losing to much weight endanger a fighter's ability to fight as well as they should? Just looking for opinions.



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You could go many different ways with this question. Define losing weight. Cutting weight before a fight? or gradually slimming down for different classes(ex. joe Riggs)?
Cutting weight can definitely affect you before a fight if you cannot rehydrate yourself properly before stepping in the cage. Is this what you are wanting to talk about?
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Yeah, what i was really wondering about was pretty broad. I agree with you about cutting alot of weight prefight, but i was also curious if people think that size, on the whole, is a really big factor for fighters when it comes down to matchups. I don't really mean like 3 or 4 pounds, i mean like The Maniac v. the Iceman or Arlovski v. Franklin.

I'd also be interested to test the waters and see how those matchups work out.



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To me it comes down to skill. Sometimes it doesn't matter how big the guy is your fighting, if he can't fight and has no skill, then you should win. In the 2nd UFC, when the weight classes were open, they had a sumo wrestler fighting a kickboxer and the sumo guy got knocked out after 3 punches. I'm no MMA fighter and nor do I want to be one but I've been in fights with people bigger and smaller than me and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. It comes down to skill and who wants it more.


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I agree with you.
But the bit that alot of people have a problem with is that all of these guys are talented and there are only a few of the lighter guys if who can fight heavier guys. I think that UFC 2 had some great open-weight fights but i think if you put that boxer in a cage with Tim Silvia, i think he'd lose.
The reason why they stopped the open weight fights is so that the matchups would be "fair" but i agree with you. I'd like to be able to turn on UFC and watch Silvia v. Liddell.
I hope that it'll happen soon.



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Well, I guess that it would be better if maybe people limited how much weight could be inbetween them? They should set up fights up one weight class, and down one weight class. That would make things interesting. Also maybe they should lengthen the rounds ?

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Honestly...isn't this the point of the first UFCs? Even in UFC 7 Marco Ruas proved size does not matter.

Again, the problem today is that NONE of the fighters are disciplined enough to fight too much above their class, and the time limited rounds force an aggressive fight. $$$$$

So in todays UFC, you NEED weight classes.

It is unfortunate that what was proven in the past has been lost, not because the truth is different, but because the system of proving what does/does not work has been tainted/rigged.
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Well, I guess that it would be better if maybe people limited how much weight could be inbetween them? They should set up fights up one weight class, and down one weight class. That would make things interesting. Also maybe they should lengthen the rounds ?
They really can't do too much with lengthening the rounds cause of being on PPV. They have only so much time to be on the air. Imagine no time limits, your watching a great fight and all of a sudden it cuts off, cause your out of air time. I would be pissed. I would like to see fighters fight one weight class up or below them, that would be interesting.


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Even though this betrays all confidence I have in my short frame, size definitely matters; especially at the higher level of competition. When you have a world class lightweight going against a heavyweight with no credentials what-so-ever, then if the HW gets beaten it proves that the smaller man was a better fighter. However, if you have a World Class LW against a World Class HW or LHW, then size definitely plays a factor.

Let's put it this way: In his 3rd ever MMA fight Bob Sapp was pitted against the (then) Pride HW Champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. Nogueira is no small man at 230lbs, but being pitted against the 350lbs monster that Bob Sapp is he had more than his hands full. Nogueira pulled the win on a gassed Sapp with a beautifully executed arm bar, but he was rushed to the hospital right after the fight. In this example, all Sapp had going for him was a huge weight/size advantage. What if Sapp had a much larger skill set or better cardio?

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Let's put it this way: In his 3rd ever MMA fight Bob Sapp was pitted against the (then) Pride HW Champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. Nogueira is no small man at 230lbs, but being pitted against the 350lbs monster that Bob Sapp is he had more than his hands full. Nogueira pulled the win on a gassed Sapp with a beautifully executed arm bar, but he was rushed to the hospital right after the fight. In this example, all Sapp had going for him was a huge weight/size advantage. What if Sapp had a much larger skill set or better cardio?
The question is "What if sapp had a better skill set or better cardio?" and the answer is no. Sapp had a "good" skill set and nog is a pride heavy weight, which means that he had the BEST skill set. Nog and Gracie are both great fighters and the fact that he was rushed to the hospital after the fight shows a level of commitment that missing now in alot of MMA formats.

Alot of guys are trying to protect themselves and i, personally, would like to see what happens if that's not an option. What happens if matt hughes is giving up 100+ lbs to Tim sylvia? He has to fight three or four times as hard just to keep from getting knocked out. I want to see the dominant fighters like Hughes and Franklin fight the top heavyweights like sylvia and arlovski. Maybe they get killed and maybe not, but it'd be fun to watch.

That's my pitch.



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