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post #11 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 11:33 PM
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Corruption in it's ugliest form. Alistair Overeem tests positive for sea-biscuit levels of testosterone, but plays the game, cooperates and acts nice with the athletic commission so they do him a favour.

Nick tries to sue these sly old gits at the commission for their BS so they make an example out of him.

What a crooked dastardly bunch of old codgers. They make me feel sick.
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Corruption in it's ugliest form. Alistair Overeem tests positive for sea-biscuit levels of testosterone, but plays the game, cooperates and acts nice with the athletic commission so they do him a favor.

Nick tries to sue these sly old gits at the commission for their BS so they make an example out of him.

What a crooked dastardly bunch of old codgers. They make me feel sick.
So, one guy gets caught breaking the rules once and makes amends for it. Cooperates with what is required to get back in the ring, and does all that he is supposed to do to get his job back.

The second guy, gets caught a second time breaking the same rule. Fights the commission tooth and nail, even attempts to sue them. Does nothing that will help him get his licence back, even attempts to compete in another non-sanctioned combat sport (very frowned upon when suspended from an athletic commission) but flakes out and doesn't show up.

Now the second guy is the one in the right and the commission is in the wrong? He broke the rules and basically put his middle finger in the air and told the commission to suck it! Well, guess what? He will have to wait until his suspension is up, then attempt to get his licence back then. Not before! He has shown no signs of wanted to get his licence back, nor has he worked with the commission to do so.

On the other hand Overeem has shown that he wants to get back in the ring, and seems like he is taking out of competition drug tests and doing all that is needed.

I say good for them!

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Overeem also had his doctor testify that he put the steroids into a coctail without telling him. Now whether or not that is true it got a few months off his suspension.
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Nick Diaz has always proven to be a complete idiot. The man shot himself in the foot so many times and never learns from his mistakes. He is only a victim of his own stupidity and is now reaping the benefits.

You forget that this isn't just some brutal sport where everyones out to kill each other. Its much more like a game of physical chess.-looney liam
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This way he can have PR while not having to do PR.
Plus I can't blame Diaz for not wanting to eat their shit. One could say he's an idiot for it, personally I admire the guy for not playing the game the way everyone wants him to play it. The comissions are full of shit, everybody knows is, nobody is doing anything. Everyone is just eating the next bowl of shit and saying "Oh, man, this tastes good!". I completely understand how the dealings of the athletic comissions can turn somebody against them.





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So, one guy gets caught breaking the rules once and makes amends for it. Cooperates with what is required to get back in the ring, and does all that he is supposed to do to get his job back.

The second guy, gets caught a second time breaking the same rule. Fights the commission tooth and nail, even attempts to sue them. Does nothing that will help him get his licence back, even attempts to compete in another non-sanctioned combat sport (very frowned upon when suspended from an athletic commission) but flakes out and doesn't show up.

Now the second guy is the one in the right and the commission is in the wrong? He broke the rules and basically put his middle finger in the air and told the commission to suck it! Well, guess what? He will have to wait until his suspension is up, then attempt to get his licence back then. Not before! He has shown no signs of wanted to get his licence back, nor has he worked with the commission to do so.

On the other hand Overeem has shown that he wants to get back in the ring, and seems like he is taking out of competition drug tests and doing all that is needed.

I say good for them!
What has Nicks BJJ exhibition got to do with any thing in this topic? Absolutely nothing.

You're going on as if they both broke the same rule. One fighter tested positive for smoking a recreational drug days or weeks before his scheduled fight which is widely considered a non-performance enhancing drug (Marijuana) and the other tested positive for having Gorilla levels of testosterone in his system (14:1). I think its quite obvious that throughout Overeems entire HW career, he's been roiding himself up silly, yet he gets a better suspension deal than a dude who likes to smoke weed in his own time. That's laughable.

And you're sat here trying to tell me with a straight bloody face that because Nick hasn't kissed Keith Kizers ass and Alistair Overeem has that Nick is the bad guy in all of this? Please, wake up and get real man. One fighter intentionally tried to cheat the system in order to give himself an unfair advantage against his opponents by boosting his testosterone to ridiculous levels, the other guy smoked a few joints in the weeks leading up to the fight. There is a big ******* difference right there. Obviously marijuana use is definitely a bigger threat to the credibility of the sport than testosterone use.......

But I get it, it's in the rules that Marijuana use is strictly prohibited by the athletic commission (forget the fact that Nick has a licensed card to use the stuff), so you gotta follow the rules Nicholas! Please, the rules and the athletic commission are a ******* joke and I applaud Nick Diaz for giving the finger to that crook Keith Kizer and trying to expose his ass.
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What has Nicks BJJ exhibition got to do with any thing in this topic? Absolutely nothing.

You're going on as if they both broke the same rule. One fighter tested positive for smoking a recreational drug days or weeks before his scheduled fight which is widely considered a non-performance enhancing drug (Marijuana) and the other tested positive for having Gorilla levels of testosterone in his system (14:1). I think its quite obvious that throughout Overeems entire HW career, he's been roiding himself up silly, yet he gets a better suspension deal than a dude who likes to smoke weed in his own time. That's laughable.

And you're sat here trying to tell me with a straight bloody face that because Nick hasn't kissed Keith Kizers ass and Alistair Overeem has that Nick is the bad guy in all of this? Please, wake up and get real man. One fighter intentionally tried to cheat the system in order to give himself an unfair advantage against his opponents by boosting his testosterone to ridiculous levels, the other guy smoked a few joints in the weeks leading up to the fight. There is a big ******* difference right there. Obviously marijuana use is definitely a bigger threat to the credibility of the sport than testosterone use.......

But I get it, it's in the rules that Marijuana use is strictly prohibited by the athletic commission (forget the fact that Nick has a licensed card to use the stuff), so you gotta follow the rules Nicholas! Please, the rules and the athletic commission are a ******* joke and I applaud Nick Diaz for giving the finger to that crook Keith Kizer and trying to expose his ass.
You may not like the rules, but they are what they are, and Nick Diaz AGREED to them when he applied for the license. When he re-applied after his first suspension it was noted what another instance would cost him.

Get off the victim mentality here man, why don't you get real? If I got busted for something here at work and they gave me one more warning, I break the rule and get busted again, am I supposed to 'fight the corrupt system' and lead a crusade against my company?

NO! Everyone would call me an idiot, say I got what I deserved, and that I knew better. They would expect that because I am an adult who makes adult decisions that I accept the consequences of my actions. Nick Diaz is not above these rules.

No one here is arguing that Weed is more deadly, gives Nick an unfair advantage, etc. The statement being made is that you cannot compare a 1 time offender (yes we all agree he has been using forever, so has Diaz and he has only gotten caught twice) to a 2 time offender. Then add into it the way they have handled themselves in accordance with their punishments. No one is saying Diaz should kiss anyones ass, but maybe, just maybe, he should just shut his mouth, stop with the lawsuits while being 'retired', and instead serve his sentence and decide what he wants to do when it is over. He can keep talking trash, suing, and filing appeals all he wants, what he really needs to do is accept responsibility.
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You may not like the rules, but they are what they are, and Nick Diaz AGREED to them when he applied for the license. When he re-applied after his first suspension it was noted what another instance would cost him.

Get off the victim mentality here man, why don't you get real? If I got busted for something here at work and they gave me one more warning, I break the rule and get busted again, am I supposed to 'fight the corrupt system' and lead a crusade against my company?

NO! Everyone would call me an idiot, say I got what I deserved, and that I knew better. They would expect that because I am an adult who makes adult decisions that I accept the consequences of my actions. Nick Diaz is not above these rules.

No one here is arguing that Weed is more deadly, gives Nick an unfair advantage, etc. The statement being made is that you cannot compare a 1 time offender (yes we all agree he has been using forever, so has Diaz and he has only gotten caught twice) to a 2 time offender. Then add into it the way they have handled themselves in accordance with their punishments. No one is saying Diaz should kiss anyones ass, but maybe, just maybe, he should just shut his mouth, stop with the lawsuits while being 'retired', and instead serve his sentence and decide what he wants to do when it is over. He can keep talking trash, suing, and filing appeals all he wants, what he really needs to do is accept responsibility.
I appreciate the civil response, but it isn't the fact that Nick got suspended that annoys me too much. I can accept the fact that he got caught, and yes, it is in the rules and he knew what he was letting himself in for and he serves his ban. It's just the Alistair Overeem comparison that really grinds me gears. Sure, it's his first time offense, but his offense is so much worse than Nicks and he gets a lighter suspension because he's playing buddy with Kizer and the rest of the gang at the commission. That really just pisses me off.

If I had it my way and I was in charge of the commission, I'd have Alistair banned from MMA, along with any other fighters looking to give themselves an unfair advantage by abusing performance enhancing drugs, I'd have them all permanently banned and seriously revise the rules as to what constitutes as performance enhancing (testostorone) and what doesn't (cannabis).

But hey, I'm just some jerk job behind a keyboard venting.
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weed can be performance enhancing if it calms you down and helps you focus.

people should be able to fight drunk, that would be great.


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He does if he wants to make money in MMA.

Dana is a promoter, Dana promotes fights.
You are joking right?

How many Nick Diaz threads are on here a day? People across the MMA spectrum talk about Nick Diaz no matter if he is on American Idol or in a hole in Siberia.

Like I said, I don't think Nick Diaz needs promotion. And I'm sure he would make more money than your Jon Fitch or Jake Ellenbergers even if he did no PR at all.
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