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Old 11-20-2012, 12:11 PM   #21 (permalink)
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You are joking right?

How many Nick Diaz threads are on here a day? People across the MMA spectrum talk about Nick Diaz no matter if he is on American Idol or in a hole in Siberia.

Like I said, I don't think Nick Diaz needs promotion. And I'm sure he would make more money than your Jon Fitch or Jake Ellenbergers even if he did no PR at all.
I'm not talking about PR, like press conferences and stuff like that. I'm talking seeing Nick Diaz on a fight card.

Dana White is a promoter, just like Don King, Vince McMahon, Bob Arum and all the others.

If the NSAC doesn't allow him to fight, then he can't be promoted since Dana doesn't promote fighters on suspension. He honors them no matter where they go and if Nick doesn't have a license he can't make the money he wants to make.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:11 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It could be that Overeem was already a title contender when got busted, while Nick Diaz wasn't. I know it's probably more complicated than that, but I'm just throwing a couple cents out there just as an idea.
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I appreciate the civil response, but it isn't the fact that Nick got suspended that annoys me too much. I can accept the fact that he got caught, and yes, it is in the rules and he knew what he was letting himself in for and he serves his ban. It's just the Alistair Overeem comparison that really grinds me gears. Sure, it's his first time offense, but his offense is so much worse than Nicks and he gets a lighter suspension because he's playing buddy with Kizer and the rest of the gang at the commission. That really just pisses me off.

If I had it my way and I was in charge of the commission, I'd have Alistair banned from MMA, along with any other fighters looking to give themselves an unfair advantage by abusing performance enhancing drugs, I'd have them all permanently banned and seriously revise the rules as to what constitutes as performance enhancing (testostorone) and what doesn't (cannabis).

But hey, I'm just some jerk job behind a keyboard venting.
I think you are focusing too much on Overeem trying anything to get off his suspension early. Kizer has not played special treatment with Overeem. In fact I think Leben got a lighter sentence for his positive test than Overeem did. Overeem has just tried everything he could do to get his suspension lifted early and Kizer has just gone, 'Well thats nice'. Kizer has shown no favoritism at all really. Kizer was asked if Overeem has taken the correct steps to get licensed by X date, a date after his suspension is up, and he said yes. Overeem still has to pass more tests and still has to go in front of the board, get his lecture, and then be approved.

Also, again, there is no comparison between Nick Diaz and Overeem. If we were arguing Nicks first offense vs Overeem, then sure, but we aren't. A repeat offender vs a first time offender ( ) is not apples to apples.

As for banning fighters, I want to agree with you, I really do, but there are so many who wouldn't be fighting today because of a past mistake. Most fighters don't take steroids for the Overeem effect, most take it so that they can do all they have to do in a single day. Leben is a great example. He was running a gym that he had just opened, had to perform training, and train himself. His body couldn't recover fast enough so he used steroids to help his recovery time. Because of that he now wouldn't ever be able to fight again, kind of rough. For every Overeem abuse case there are probably 5 Leben type cases. I'm not saying it is justified, just that the outright ban is fairly harsh.

EDIT: Also as a side note, I do not like Kizer or the Nevada Athletic commission, I think they need some people with at least half a mind in charge over there. Still, when people get licensed with them, they know the rules.
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I'm not talking about PR, like press conferences and stuff like that. I'm talking seeing Nick Diaz on a fight card.

Dana White is a promoter, just like Don King, Vince McMahon, Bob Arum and all the others.

If the NSAC doesn't allow him to fight, then he can't be promoted since Dana doesn't promote fighters on suspension. He honors them no matter where they go and if Nick doesn't have a license he can't make the money he wants to make.
Well just state the obvious. Of course if Nick Diaz isn't fighting he isn't earning money.

We are talking about exactly that. Overeem being promoted on suspension. And Diaz not being promoted on suspension.

We are talking about promomotion. Maybe I'm not following you here, but not sure what you are implying.
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Well just state the obvious. Of course if Nick Diaz isn't fighting he isn't earning money.

We are talking about exactly that. Overeem being promoted on suspension. And Diaz not being promoted on suspension.

We are talking about promomotion. Maybe I'm not following you here, but not sure what you are implying.
What I'm saying is, Nick won't be able to make the big bucks if the NSAC doesn't let him back clearly they're making an example out of him since he tried to fight them where as Overeem complied, went on about his business and just erode the suspension out. If they don't re-license him then he either is forced to retire or he has go to Japan and fight.

What I'm saying is, there's a difference between PR and promotion, he doesn't need PR to hype his fights, but he does need promotion in order to fight. The fact Overeem is being allowed to be promoted and Nick is not basically tells you that the NSAC isn't happy with him.
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What I'm saying is, Nick won't be able to make the big bucks if the NSAC doesn't let him back clearly they're making an example out of him since he tried to fight them where as Overeem complied, went on about his business and just erode the suspension out. If they don't re-license him then he either is forced to retire or he has go to Japan and fight.

What I'm saying is, there's a difference between PR and promotion, he doesn't need PR to hype his fights, but he does need promotion in order to fight. The fact Overeem is being allowed to be promoted and Nick is not basically tells you that the NSAC isn't happy with him.
It isn't like Nick is going to get some lifetime ban. If he did Dana wouldn't honor that bullshit and would just take him to a different state.

Nick's suspension will be up in February. He is currently training and will be ready to fight. The UFC will make a matchup right after his suspension is up. And many people will be interested and he will make good money.
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What has Nicks BJJ exhibition got to do with any thing in this topic? Absolutely nothing.
But it very much does. When an athlete is suspended from competition by an athletic commission, they are not supposed to compete in ANY form of combat sport. Be it boxing, MMA, or BJJ. While the match was not sanctioned, it was still a big FU to the commission.
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You're going on as if they both broke the same rule. One fighter tested positive for smoking a recreational drug days or weeks before his scheduled fight which is widely considered a non-performance enhancing drug (Marijuana) and the other tested positive for having Gorilla levels of testosterone in his system (14:1). I think its quite obvious that throughout Overeems entire HW career, he's been roiding himself up silly, yet he gets a better suspension deal than a dude who likes to smoke weed in his own time. That's laughable.
Well, you see... They did break the exact same rule! They were both caught with a banned substance in their body. I agree, weed is far less sever than roids, but its the same rule.

Its not the first time he got busted, and not really even the second. He was scheduled to fight on a card before, they asked for a pre-fight sample, he pulled out of the fight instead of taking the test.

And now he gets busted again. And he clearly has NO RESPECT FOR THE RULES!
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And you're sat here trying to tell me with a straight bloody face that because Nick hasn't kissed Keith Kizers ass and Alistair Overeem has that Nick is the bad guy in all of this? Please, wake up and get real man. One fighter intentionally tried to cheat the system in order to give himself an unfair advantage against his opponents by boosting his testosterone to ridiculous levels, the other guy smoked a few joints in the weeks leading up to the fight. There is a big ******* difference right there. Obviously marijuana use is definitely a bigger threat to the credibility of the sport than testosterone use.......
YES NICK IS THE BAD GUY IN THIS! Nobody forced him to smoke up! Sure, OverRoid is a bad guy too... But that doesnt mean Nick isnt!
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But I get it, it's in the rules that Marijuana use is strictly prohibited by the athletic commission (forget the fact that Nick has a licensed card to use the stuff), so you gotta follow the rules Nicholas! Please, the rules and the athletic commission are a ******* joke and I applaud Nick Diaz for giving the finger to that crook Keith Kizer and trying to expose his ass.[/quote]

His card to use the stuff means absolutely nothing! NOT A THING! I can walk into a pharmacy and buy 20 drugs over the counter that are not allowed in the system when fighting. Just because he can legally smoke it (which, really, he cant... The feds still say that it is against the law) does not mean that it is legal in competition (which it SHOULD NEVER BE).


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It could be that Overeem was already a title contender when got busted, while Nick Diaz wasn't. I know it's probably more complicated than that, but I'm just throwing a couple cents out there just as an idea.
Nick Diaz was in line to fight GSP, so that has nothing to do with it.

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It isn't like Nick is going to get some lifetime ban. If he did Dana wouldn't honor that bullshit and would just take him to a different state.

Nick's suspension will be up in February. He is currently training and will be ready to fight. The UFC will make a matchup right after his suspension is up. And many people will be interested and he will make good money.
I HIGHLY doubt that the UFC would give up promoting shows in California just for the sake of having Nick Diaz on a card. There is NO WAY they would take a guy with a lifetime ban in any commission in the US and have him fight in another state! NO WAY!

Here are my 2 cents!

Marijuana should be legal in all states in the US for medical and recreational use. It should be taxed and regulated just like alcohol and tobaco. HOWEVER, it should NEVER be allowed in any athletic competition.

It is not really a performance enhancing drug (although for some it can help) as much as it is a performance ALTERING drug. Anything that alters performance should NEVER be allowed.

Breaking the rules once is not such a bad thing with weed. Doing it 2 (and kind of 3 times) and then putting up a stink about it, saying the commission is at fault for not allowing him to break the rules. Well that is just ridiculous. He should be suspended for at least a year, maybe more!

The guy has a horrible track record out side of just the weed usage. He was in a post loss fight in a hospital and in a post fight brawl in the ring. He should be shown no special considerations as he has never earned them.

OverRoid broke the same rule, but he did it in a different way. He got busted using roids, which is horrible for the sport. He should have been suspended, and he was. He was initially given a year, with a chance for special considerations. I am sure one of the considerations was a reduced suspension if he was willing to take drug tests and passes them (something Nick Diaz would never do, because weed is more important to him that fighting.... hey, we all have priorities).

Now, do I think he deserves the considerations? NO, not at all. He did something similar to diaz in that he avoided a previous drug test. He should get the full year, but I understand why he is not!
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