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Ludinator 11-20-2012 02:45 AM

Gsp Camp want silva, but at 170.
 
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"I wouldn't want [St-Pierre] to move up, I'd want Anderson to come down," said St-Pierre's head trainer, Firas Zahabi, in an interview with Ariel Helwani on The MMA Hour. "I don't know if Anderson can make 170 or something close to that. If Georges goes up, I know he won't be able to come back down, he's told me many times if he goes up he won't go back down, and I believe him when he says that because he'd want to spend some serious time getting extra size on him. and, ... I would want [Silva] to come down as close to 170 as possible if that was the case."

You know, the thing is, the next day he'll balloon up over 200, and I don't think that's fair," Zahabi said. "I don't think that's a fair fight. If he can make the cut to 170, that would be great. Georges has to fight everyone at 170, and that's the case. Really I think it would be even and fair. Even if [Silva] would balloon up the next day, he would be weakened by the weight cut, there would be something there.

Source Mma Torch.

kney 11-20-2012 02:53 AM

Didn't Ed Soares once said Anderson was walking around at 225lbs and that he could never make 170lbs?

Sterl 11-20-2012 03:29 AM

Well with Jones tied up, Bisping and Weidman in the middle of their own thing and Rashad looking to be staying at LHW for the time being, I hope Anderson seriously considers taking the time to make it down to that weight. If GSP wants this fight at 170,fine. His belt should be on the line then in his weight class. If Anderson beats him at his weight class, he takes his belt. Retires as the MW and WW Champ, legacy complete. Call it a day.

Liddellianenko 11-20-2012 03:45 AM

Just do 178, that's a fair middle ground.

Zahabi is like GSPs Soares and equally annoying.

Killz 11-20-2012 04:10 AM

Man, Anderson isnt making 170lbs and nor should he.

A fight at a catchweight would be fairer but I think Anderson is always going to have the size advantage.

Even at a 178lbs catchweight, on fight night Anderson will probably be weighing in at 200+ whilst GSP is gonna be probably 190ish.

Mark my words, this fight aint happening at any weight.

Liddellianenko 11-20-2012 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Killz (Post 1649787)
Man, Anderson isnt making 170lbs and nor should he.

A fight at a catchweight would be fairer but I think Anderson is always going to have the size advantage.

Even at a 178lbs catchweight, on fight night Anderson will probably be weighing in at 200+ whilst GSP is gonna be probably 190ish.

Mark my words, this fight aint happening at any weight.

So what even if he has a small size advantage, whatever, more props to GSP if he wins it and no shame if he loses, he was at a size disadvantage against the #1 p4p and at the very least stepped up, and at the most dethroned him.

I mean this was a sport without weight classes and guys like BJ Penn challenging 3 weight classes above even after weight classes. Even now, it's not like the divisions are homogenous in terms of weight, every division has guys that are relatively "bigger" and cut far more weight than others in the division.

This superfight should be about the two best technicians in MMA duking it out to see whose technique is truly the best. Each guy has the technique that has been shown to be the other's kryptonite, GSP with his relentless wrestling, transitions and GnP, and Silva with his one shot accuracy. 8 lbs here or there won't be the deciding factor, the styles themselves will be.

OHKO 11-20-2012 04:28 AM

Silva weighed in at 202 pounds for a 205 pound fight against Stephan Bonnar. If the fight is at a catchweight of 178 pounds I'm pretty sure Silva will be around the same weight as GSP on fight night, or at worst 5 or 6 pounds more.

I'm not that interested in this fight anymore, since it is quite clear GSP doesn't want this fight at all.

Killz 11-20-2012 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko (Post 1649791)
So what even if he has a small size advantage, whatever, more props to GSP if he wins it and no shame if he loses, he was at a size disadvantage against the #1 p4p and at the very least stepped up, and at the most dethroned him.

I mean this was a sport without weight classes and guys like BJ Penn challenging 3 weight classes above even after weight classes. Even now, it's not like the divisions are homogenous in terms of weight, every division has guys that are relatively "bigger" and cut far more weight than others in the division.

This superfight should be about the two best technicians in MMA duking it out to see whose technique is truly the best. Each guy has the technique that has been shown to be the other's kryptonite, GSP with his relentless wrestling, transitions and GnP, and Silva with his one shot accuracy. 8 lbs here or there won't be the deciding factor, the styles themselves will be.

Im speaking purely from how i think GSP and his camp will be thinking of this fight. Personally, I think GSP has a chance of beating Anderson by using a similar tactics to Chael but equally, I think Anderson could knock GSP out before he gets him down.

To me, I see Anderson as being too big for GSP, but that is just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by OHKO (Post 1649792)
Silva weighed in at 202 pounds for a 205 pound fight against Stephan Bonnar. If the fight is at a catchweight of 178 pounds I'm pretty sure Silva will be around the same weight as GSP on fight night, or at worst 5 or 6 pounds more.

I'm not that interested in this fight anymore, since it is quite clear GSP doesn't want this fight at all.

Agreed.

No_Mercy 11-20-2012 04:50 AM

It's all a negotiation and Firaz who's ever the intelligent trainer gave a valid counter rebuttal.

It's essentially the same position Ronda has taken except Cyborg has nowhere to go, but down atm.

Anderson can renegotiate to 178, or move on sadly. He hasn't been at 170 in AGES.

There is a flip side to this. Anderson agrees to 170 and that would ALSO mean one important caveat. GSP's title will be on the line.

Now that is CRAZY!

xxpillowxxjp 11-20-2012 04:51 AM

People over estimate the advantage weight gives.

I'm not saying weight classes are a bad thing.

When it comes down to the top 3 fighters in the world (jones - silva - gsp), the winner of the fight isnt going to be because of a weight advantage (bar gsp-jones obviously). We've seen Bj penn beat up ww's, frankie edgar beat up lw's, silva beat up lhw's, cain beat up lesnar, kosh beat up johnson, vitor beat up johnson (haha sorry johnson), vitor give jones the fight of his life, hendo knock out fedor... There are SO many more.

More than not, the winner of the fight comes down to who was the better man on fight night. OF COURSE exceptions do exist, but more than not skill is going to beat a weight advantage unless its just insane.

A catch weight is proper simply because of how much silva would have to drain himself to make 170, and at 178 all we are really talking about is gsp cutting a few less and anderson cutting a few more. It's completely fair.

I think GSP is really just scared of getting less endorsements and payed less by sponsors. Right now, the speculation of who is #1 is what makes these fighters get so many deals. I can ensure you the winner of this fight would have millions of dollars waiting for them on Sunday from sponsors and people wanting to endorse the "Undisputed best fighter in the world".

What GSP might not realize though is the amount of money he would get payed by the UFC, Sponsors, and Endorsers for this fight would probably equal out, if not be more than, the amount of money he would be making even if he lost.

Before one says "Silva can fight Jones!!!!", Yes, he absolutely can and jones/silva both said they would fight each other if they had to.

Right now, Uncle Dana wants GSP/Silva. When Jones beat Belfort he wanted Jones/Silva. Uncle Dana doesn't know what he wants, all he knows is he wants silva in a super fight and because silva WANTS gsp, hes trying to make it happen seemingly because he won't have to pay silva/gsp as much to fight as he would silva/jones. That and he knows Jones is fairly young and could do a super fight at heavyweight one day AND that jones plans to. There's simply alot more money in making GSP-Silva happen then Jones-Silva because GSP isn't going to test the waters in a different division because he is too scared to lose.

That's what makes Silva so unique. He's fine with fighting fighters from other divisions, he does want to test himself, he's not scared that he might lose. Jones WANTS to also, but he obviously wants to have a real camp to make sure he doesn't lose.



And dang, just thought of condit @ 185. Lots of interesting fights for him there... though he wouldnt have anything for silva, he could easily be top 5 i think.

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Originally Posted by No_Mercy (Post 1649795)

There is a flip side to this. Anderson agrees to 170. Crazy...

I could see this happening, but I sure Silva would still want it to be a non title fight, which would destroy the WW division if he did win. Silva stated plenty of time he wants to end his career at 185 and i really don't see him wanting another title. Which really raises questions on what would happen if Silva-Jones fought.. I think Silva wouldn't mind fighting @ 205, its just that nog and machida fight there and because of that its probably not even an nor desire for him to be a champion of a division that a mentor plus a training partner/good friend fight in.


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